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Ant · (This post was last modified: 03-20-2007, 04:23 AM by Ant.)

This thread was intended to be about how the Zoners should react to overt attacks by those using the Zoner ID and tag.

Naturally it is in the Zoners' best interests to deny all association with such obvious military activity done in their name.

Covert support for independant and terrorist organisations is more the way the Zoners go about destabilising Sirius so that the houses don't get involved in Zoner interests. Zoners do not ally officially in order to protect Neutral status.

This vote is the Zoners' way of saying that the AW are on their own and that it is not the actions of the Zoners as a whole.
In this way Zoner neutrality can be protected somewhat.

However, this vote also removes the claim of the AW to Zoner neutrality.

The RP is already in this thread for a military takeover of Theta by the AW. AW now have a valid reason to switch to Merc ID.

Qunitinius~Verginix · 03-20-2007, 04:21 AM,

I don't Kinda Agree with Dab after this last point, I can relate. HIs Faction are ALLIED with the zoners to gain their benefits and offer protection to them. Sam with my Faction, the Helghast, we are not Junkers, we dodn't normal act exactly as they they would, we are simply allied to them for their benefits. Most factions, save for the House factions, are like this. BUt remember, the zoners are not militaristic. They onyl want to live away from all the rules and regulations of the houses and whens why they have the neutral bases.

Verginix Out

Dab · 03-20-2007, 04:28 AM,

' Wrote:However, this vote also removes the claim of the AW to Zoner neutrality.

The RP is already in this thread for a military takeover of Theta by the AW. AW now have a valid reason to switch to Merc ID.

Jesus ******* Christ Ant, can you read for once?

This is getting ridiculous.

Did I not just say AW is NOT Zoners and DO NOT claim Zoner Neutrality, or even to be Zoners in any shape or form?

Did I not just say that I'm not wasting the 1.5 years of Role Plays I made because you think something should be done your way, and that 'conquering' Theta would not fit with ANY of our Role Plays that EVER existed?

Pay the hell attention. If you can't be bothered to read whats written by others, than DO NOT POST.

Your inability to read what others have written is appalling.

Ant · (This post was last modified: 03-20-2007, 08:33 AM by Ant.)

I don't really care what ID you use.

However, it is because you are acting outside the requirements for a Zoner, while being Zoner tagged, with Zoner ID, that this entire situation has come about.

Zoners have voted to disown any relationship the AW may have had with them in the past.

Is that a problem?

It seems like a good opportunity for RP to me.

Firebird · (This post was last modified: 03-20-2007, 06:47 AM by Firebird.)

Quote:The incidents in Cambridge, which we played a defensive part in only, even attacked as we were defending a neutral trader..

The said trader, wasn't it an HF tagged trader? Was not HF hostile at the time the actions were committed? Was not the HF told to stay out of Cambridge? Was not the trader asked to leave but refused? Was this not the first incident where the SF encountered a hostile faction's trader and upon that incident I made it clear in the faction post our status regarding them? Can I insert any more questions into this without anyone noticing? Why was the AW helping the HF ignore SF authority?

Quote:Why you have a problem with people giving out threats in a system they don't control I have no idea..

I have a problem with a group giving out orders in a system they don't control when undermining its authority and the controlling group is PRESENT in the system.

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Malaclypse 666 · 03-20-2007, 07:15 AM,

Well, we were doing pretty good.

Dab, sorry mate, but your last post had an offensive and personal tone.

We're not out to bust your butt for your 1.5 years hard work.

We're just saying what people have noticed. The excuse of you (AW) actually not "being" one thing just doesn't hold water as long as you are still acting like the other thing.

And, conquer Theta? Nope, didn't say that.

I mused that we might just give you Theta. RP-wise, we peaceful Zoners can toss it about, and maybe just vote you the entire deed, in exchange for no further contracts for your services.

We think we'll be able to manage.

Reggie.

Firebird · (This post was last modified: 03-20-2007, 08:17 AM by Firebird.)

Yes, the suggestion regarding Theta was that we could RP control away from the Zoners to the AW. Conquer was one way, giving another, abandonment and simply taking over...whatever works and fits, I was just making a suggestion, which after some further though wouldn't quite work since Freeport 9 still is the Zoners main base...there is Gran Canaria but the coalition also moved in on that so not sure how that works.

So Mercs can only do lawful hmmm ok...so what's the unlawful and unaffiliated tag for a merc, or is that basically a pirate? :unsure:

Not saying pirate fits perfectly but something along those lines should fit better given AW is viewed as unfriendly by 3 out of 4 houses and I don't see any actions by the AW changing that anytime soon (sounds like one of those ads, 3 out of 5 dentists prefer...anyways, not sure on KNF view).

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Dab · 03-20-2007, 01:14 PM,

Firebird, it had no tag. It was not HF trader, it didn't even have an NPC tag. The owner was a friend of AW and seeing as how there were two pirates in Cambridge at the time, one even a battleship, that SF were doing nothing but saying 'get out' to.. Not backing up those words. Had we left like SF wanted to, the train would have died.

And of course that post had a personal and very pissed off tone in it Mal. Not only has Ant apparently thought of himself as someone who is above reading what other people post, but both him and you have told me not to speak of the Zoners (which I haven't), while you two, you TWO, go out and speak as if you control the entire faction, AND mine. And you try to say your not being hypicrits.

You keep saying something needs changed, both of you are. Funny, haven't seen anyone suggest something other than Merc ID, which I already gave the reasons that we cannot use that.

And Ant, the Zoners have voted to disown any relationship with AW? No, YOU, Mal, and Koolmo. THREE PEOPLE, all but Koolmo don't like us personally. Your biased for one. Heck, Mal shot an AW in his KNF char against the KNF's own diplomatic relations, and the ambassador's decisions, for the sole reason he doesn't like us personally. Ant, apparently you have a vendetta. Whether its because you lost a war, don't like something about me, or what, but its definitely fueling your hatred about us.

You guys have no right to tell US to change our tag and ID that we have used since our start here, long before any of you had even heard of this server. As I said, until an admin tells us we have to change tags and IDs, they stay. And perhaps you missed it, but I believe Igiss said he thinks Zoner ID and tag are the only ones that will actually fit AW. You see, we are trying to deal with that and make it so that it does fit well. You guys? Your just sitting here complaining about a subject and not offering any solutions other than 'Change your ID to merc.'

Thanks much, theres the door.

(Done with this thread. If you continue to bring the issue up in every thread I'm active in, I'll eventually call the admins about it. That goes at you Mal.)

Igiss · 03-20-2007, 02:16 PM,

Quote:Zoners have voted to disown any relationship the AW may have had with them in the past.
Is that a problem?
It seems like a good opportunity for RP to me.

It all sounds a good opportunity to deprive AW from their well-deserved system, cause factions that have general IDs cannot own systems.

"Zoners have voted" - now whom do you mean by zoners?

Stop this. It's all hardly related to RP (therefore offtopic), and the poll is simply irrelevant. AW will retain Zoner ID and Zoner affiliation.

Ant · (This post was last modified: 03-20-2007, 02:26 PM by Ant.)

' Wrote:It all sounds a good opportunity to deprive AW from their well-deserved system, cause factions that have general IDs cannot own systems.

"Zoners have voted" - now whom do you mean by zoners?

Stop this. It's all hardly related to RP (therefore offtopic), and the poll is simply irrelevant. AW will retain Zoner ID and Zoner affiliation.

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Poll: How should the Zoners respond to the recent actions of the Asgard Warriors? You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
The AW should no longer sully the Zoner name. They should cease all alliances with and vendetta against all organisations immediately, in accordance with Zoner neutrality. If they are unwilling to abide by Zoner neutrality, they should cease all Zoner affiliation.	22.22%	4	22.22%
Includes the first option, and AW should also be required to pay full compensation to those attacked by the AW since they first provided illegal support to the Hellfire Legion. The AW should also send full and sincere letters of apology to all those hurt by their actions.	11.11%	2	11.11%
The AW should not be required to abide by Zoner neutrality.	33.33%	6	33.33%
The AW have already done enough damage to the Zoner reputation for neutrality and should be required to end all Zoner affiliation.	33.33%	6	33.33%
Total		18 vote(s)	100%