Terrorists attacks on transports

[Panzer]

And quite ironically, if the target(s) can fight back a bit too good, you flee. (no offence intended)

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[Exile]

For the last time, I had dinner!:crazy:

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[Panzer]

I'm speaking of the California events. You weren't a big, bad terrorist then. At least not yet

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[Exile]

O, ( did i flee? i was there all the time, hell, i was even upfront with washington:sleep:)

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[desecrator]

And quite ironically, if the target(s) can fight back a bit too good, you flee. (no offence intended)

I don't take any offence. Why? Because most of our enemys do the exact same thing. And we don't flame then to the ground for doing it.

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

Verg, pirating using a gunboat is far from its only use. Infact, pirating using a gunboat is the cheap and far too
easy way of doing it. Got something against fighters now, or is that to much like hard work ?
And lets get off the who did what, or did not do what on the server ...
RP not PvP remember ... Reel the egos in chaps.

Hoodlum

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Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."

[Obsidian]

You starting to make the Phantoms look like PvPWhoresKillEverythingInSightIdiots... Well were not.

We don't constantly go around attacking Traders, that would make us Pirates. We prefer a target that can actually fight back. And to make some sort of good RP out of it.

I don't take any offence. Why? Because most of our enemys do the exact same thing. And we don't flame then to the ground for doing it.

Angry words never brought any good, my brother. Let them wallow in the complacency of their own falseness. We will strike when they hope the least. We shall be victorious again. We will have the joy of their silent cries in the Void. Immortal Enlightement.

RP, that's right. Terrorists kill for a cause. A just cause in their eyes. Not necessarily a just cause for the rest of the population. Enough flames, we're sliding away from the topic.

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[Panzer]

Pirating in capships...

in pre-Roman times, Mediterranean pirates used ships no worse, than Roman galleys or Greek Triemes to raid, pillage, rob and kill wahtever they'd see on the horizon.

in the XVI and XVII century, pirates of the "new world" often used captured Spanish galleons, English frigates to accomplish the same goal as their ancient predecessors. Sir Francis Drake's expeditions were and still are famous. His "Golden Hind" was clearly a warship and de facto an independent pirate untill Spain officially declared war.

During world war I and II, germany used capital ship raiders to disrupt English trade and resupply lines on the Atlantic and Indian Ocean. Admiral Graf Spee was such a ship. A heavy cruiser. It woud sink British merhants untill cornered by a cruiser sqadron at La Plata. Same for the big Bismarck battleship. It was de facto performing trade interdicton on the north atlantic, like its sister ship, The Tirpitz on the Arctic sea. The PQ17 convoy destruction history is well-known.
The unlimited submarine war doctrine allowed the German and US submarine commanders to sink allied or japanese freighters without warning. Piracy? No, because they did not demand cargo/ pillage the ship. Terrorism? trying to starve England and leaving the torpedo attack's survivors to certain death? I thhink it is a bit closer to our FL-like type of terrorism.
What is curious, Adm Doenitz was trialed at Nurnberg for that. Nimitz was not. Although they both issued the same orders for their submariners

(and tell me, Graf Spee wasn't a capital ship)


Modernly, pirates haven't got the means to acquire warships of the highest destructive ability, nevertheless, they use obsolete, often scrapped warships, no bigger, than a corvette. The Indonesian government is constantly investing more and more to build a navy strong enough to ultimately end this infestation.

I myself think that if there's a pirate chasing you, sorry, you're unlucky. No matter what he's flying. Do pirates care about rules? Do Corsairs limit themselves because some rules say so? Do the outcasts build their juggernaust ONLY to battle the Corsairs? I don't think so.

I myself would allow the factions capable of building/buying capital ships to pirate in them. Hessians, corsairs, outcasts, all pirate and rich enough to afford having ships no worse or better than the house ones.

I'd only limit the production type of ships, that can be used for piracy. Hessian cruiser, roue gunboat, Osiris... Also, make it ID-related. what model each ID owner may use for piracy or terrorism. It would be at least closest to reality in this case.

(now time for a flameout)

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[Nadir]

(Semi uninteresting facts: The Nuremberg trial avoided actions committed by allied forces plus they specifically avoided trying German 'crimes' that were identical to allied 'actions' so as not to draw attention to them.

C16-17 pirates in the New World were more often than not sponsored by a government - often the Dutch to pirate English ships and visa versa. So as well as your enemies cargo and passengers you got a nice little retainer. Thus piracy was used by governments as a weapon of personal and economic terrorism.)

The main point about not pirating in a cap ship on FL is that of crazy playability problems. Perhaps if all capital ships had their cargo reduced to the same space as an average fighter things would be fairer. *shrug* That wouldn't stop terrorist factions from just sitting in a trade lane with a BS and smoking everything that came through.

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[onca]

As Nadir says, its a balance issue. If "unrestricted capship warfare" were allowed then trade would grind to a halt, as traders would find better things to do with their time than get blown up at every jumpgate. And we would end up with a glut of pirates and terrorists, all stomping around Sirius in BS's and nothing less.

Its ironic coz every pirate faction needs a fleet of its own traders anyway, to provide necessary funds for their operations. Think how much more trading they would need to do if pirating in capships were allowed, and they ecshewed fighters entirely.

(BTW Templar I fail to see the relevance of the Nuremberg trials on this discussion. FYI Doenitz was not tried on his "unrestricted submarine warfare", since all parties agreed at the time that both sides did it. What's more Doenitz died a ripe old age, it wasn't like they took him out and hung him. But I find your defending Nazis and heaping sh*t on Americans particularly ironic considering you're from Polska. Bloody short memories....)

o.