' Wrote:That makes no sense. How can you say fair point when Giorgio is saying you're wrong?
How bout you read alittle. Fascism as a governmental structure rose out of Mussolini's rule in Italy, and that was somewhat ideological, but Fascism has moved beyond that individual ideology of Italy and been used all over the world, not as an ideology but as a way to run a government or group. If fascism was an ideology, then all fascists all over the world would be trying to prove to everyone that Mussolini should be leader in their country. But you know, since he is dead, and fascism lives on, it means that it has changed from it's ideological origins.
That is why I can say she has a fair point in saying that fascism started as a somewhat ideological movement, but now is looked at as non-ideological and more as a system of government. Some of us do not think simply in black and white. Try to read and think people.
I sense a lot of drama in this one, but I gotta confess, I thought of something similar aswell (not ever thinking anything would come out of it).
The thing is, fascism/nazism might be a bit strong, since people only see the holocaust into it, that's why I would advise moving a level towards the center and roleplay a nationalist/irredentist faction. It's basically the same if you take the racism part out of nazism (which you seem to be doing so anyway) and would stir up less trouble.
Just build up a radical nationalist party (preferably outlawed) and it'd be good enough. I'm personally tired of most outlaws being socialist/communist/populist oriented anyway.
' Wrote:I sense a lot of drama in this one, but I gotta confess, I thought of something similar aswell (not ever thinking anything would come out of it).
The thing is, fascism/nazism might be a bit strong, since people only see the holocaust into it, that's why I would advise moving a level towards the center and roleplay a nationalist/irredentist faction. It's basically the same if you take the racism part out of nazism (which you seem to be doing so anyway) and would stir up less trouble.
Just build up a radical nationalist party (preferably outlawed) and it'd be good enough. I'm personally tired of most outlaws being socialist/communist/populist oriented anyway.
Yes, I think (without having much experience in Kusari RP) that the AFA's concept pretty much equals the things described in the thread starter post aswell.
"Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong."
Check.
"cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism"
Check.
"in order for nations and races to survive in a world defined by perpetual national and racial conflict, nations and races must purge themselves of socially and biologically weak or degenerate people while simultaneously promoting the creation of strong people"
The AFA might reject people not depending on their race or degeneration, but their nation of origin instead. By promoting the welfare of Kusari through radicalism and believing it to be above the rest, racial orientations have to have a manifestation to some extent inside aswell.
Also, the AFA is semi-lawful, it's not outlawed.
You certainly have a point Zelot, but I personally despise of the lawful authorities in Kusari looking over the actions of the AFA, as well as the fact that the balance of politics is pretty... dim throughout the Houses. Kusari has all the nationalists, Rheinland the socialists, Liberty the generic apolitical pirates (+Xenos, but they don't really have a voice) and the variety is pretty much only to be found in Bretonia.
This faction concept brought into Rheinland or Liberty could be a good idea, with a different manifestation of nationalism than what applies to the AFA.
In my eyes, what the person that made this thread was suggesting was to make a faction that sympathizes ideologically with the extreme right fascist and nazi side of the waring parties in WW2. As a counterweight or counterpiece to the extreme left communist side (which is basically the soviet union or the coalition of starlancer).
You mentioned the fascist nazi side as an example, so you cant really say now that you didnt want to RP as nazis.
A lot of times people here have said that they do not approve of of communists being RPed here, because they or their relatives have suffered from stalinist persecution.
I understand that they may object to people glorifying stalinism and even RPing sympathy for his crimes, but I dont support people who extend their hatred against all communists or even socialists.
And I certainly dont support people who put communist as and ideology on the same level as nazi ideology.
Communist ideoly is destined to fail because of its wrong assumptions, but it does not degrade human beings in the same way as nazi ideology does.
The worst people who tried to impose communism (or said they would but were in reality only concerned about gaining power) were on the same level as the the worst peopel who tried to impose nazi ideology. But there is a difference between the 2 ideologies.
Communism seeks equal treatment and opportunity for all human beings, regardless of their race. It tried to achieve it by basically reducing the quality of life of everyone, making freedom impossible, and some of the people who tried to enforce communism ended up degrading humans as a hole, but this is what the ideology tries to achieve, by going about it in the wrong way.
The goals of fascism and nazism were different: They believe that one race is better than the other, and that the better race must destory the inferior races (or make them their slaves) so that it can take all the goodies. On top of that, they believed that the weak/degenerate members of their societey must be destroyed. That included other ethnicities, handicapped people, and gay people in addition to all people who didnt subscribe to their ideology. Nazis were even crazy enough to make breeding programs for "the master" race thinking they would come up with anything different than inbred freaks.
Both Stalin and Hitler were monsters, one wasnt better than the other. And communists killing millions of people is not better or worse than nazis killing millions of people. But the nazi ideoogy is more vile than communist ideology in itself.
If you get a nazi faction here, you are going to have people spreading racism and either justifying or denying the holocaust, which is a crime in some countries. So its not going to happen.
If you want extreme nationalist factions in Sirius that dont use Hitler and Musolini as role models... you already got them.
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