Quote:And again, you're assuming that the Emperor wants foreign trade...If samura has its hooks into him, it is quite possible that he's convinced they are not good for his domain.
That is an interesting statement, but what about foreigners creating workplaces?
' Wrote:Well that's actually a problem... since both BD and AFA are allied to KNF....
I ignore them if they just are around... they help me if there are dragons/outcasts around...
and they stay neutral/don't fight with Corsairs around.
They also don't pirate in same system... and leave when requested.
Hogosha don't pirate at all, at least not in Kusari.. Leeds is another story:)
KNF (government) don't really care about foreign shippers. Why?
Because they were forced to accept foreigners, they didn't do it freely.
There's a story about that, I think this is the one..
Quote:The government acquiesced for several centuries, leading to astronomical Kusari Food prices. Eventually, under pressure from the Liberty government, Kusari reopened the agricultural imports market, despite intense lobbying by Samura.
Synth Foods moved in and became an overnight success, opening franchises in the urban areas of Honshu and New Tokyo. Demand for expensive Kyushu Food dropped, and many independent farmers were forced out of business.
And what exactly is your motive, X-lancer?
To limit already limited faction? I don't get it.. There's so few people ready to RP as Farmers, so I don't really see a problem.
If you could explain..
Quote:Were those the English pirates working for the queen, though? Sounds a lot like current situation in Kusari.
Well, AFA is working under Samura pretty much.. And Samura does control the government, at least partially.
So, it's basically the same.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
First: We're not commonplace pirates just looking to Pirate without the pressure of Johnny-law, but ideologists who are working towards the betterment of Kusari.
Second: Samura and Hogosha support us, we work to kick out foreign shippers. Foreign shippers are ruining Kusari, and we are kicking them out through political pressure.
Third: [KNF] does not fight us if we have done nothing wrong, we help them with the local Blood Dragon and Golden Chrysanthemum population, and even intruding Outcasts. Some might even think that we're doing what they should be doing but cannot (Ever seen the movie Boondock Saints?). They also know that if they look the other way they may get a nice bonus from Samura. Nice to have friends in high places. We're also not dumb. If [KNF] are around the tax is completely optional. If the [KNF] doesn't like us collecting donations where we are, we'll go. We know how to operate.
That is, of course, how I interpret it. Zelot probably knows better, so if you don't like my interpretation wait up for his.
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The first thing to take into account when talking about the Farmers RP is the Kusari culture and what the dominante issue in Kusari is. Unlike the uninimity of the other houses, Kusari is a house divided. There are two ideologies in Kusari. The first is for modernization and expanding relations with other houses and corperations. This is represented by the GC and Blood Dragons. The other is isolationist and in favor of keeping the tradional ways of Kusari. This side being represented by The Farmers and Hogoshu. All over Kusari you see news and rumors adressing this issue. They talk about how Kusari traditionaly has been a very insular sociaty. Kusari was the last house to have tradelanes. Deshima and Roppongi are so inflamitory to them because they are seen as encrochment of foreigners into Kusari space.
Now, the KNF and Kusari governemnt are stick in the middle. The Farmers and Hogoshu have more sway with the KNF, because the GC and Dragons are looking to destroy the Kusari governemnt, so obviously the KNF see the Hogoshu and Farmers as, at the least, the lesser of two evils. The KNF have an intresting type of relationship with the Hogoshu and Farmers, it's a "wink, wink, nudge nudge" relationship. If you don't know what that means, it sort of that the KNF are in favor of the things the Hogoshu and FA are working for, but can't say that publicly. I think this is a very common relationship on RL.
So with that as a back drop, lets talk about the Farmers.
First, and most basicly, look at the the infocard posted at the top of this topic. It doesnt say the Farmers are against Synthfoods and no one else. If you look at the groups on the enemy list, they are all groups trying to bring foreign influance into Kusari (Foreign corps), or groups that are trying to overthrow the Shogun. (Blood Dragons, GC).
Why is synthfoods singled out you ask. Well, Synthfoods is the personification of the "Foreign Corperation", they peddle a product that is cheap and easy to transport. They push thier way into markets and develop a monopoly. (Think Wal-Mart in the states, they open a store in an area, with lower priced lower quality products, and all the local, small buisness are forced to fold.) Synthfoods was the first foreign company into Kusari and made deals with the government that were very bad for Kusari. Synthfoods was not put on the list to the exclusion of all others, it is just the main example of the ideology the Farmers are fighting against.
The main aspect of the Farmers RP is that they are fighting against what they perseve as threats to the traditional way of life in Kusari. The GC bring in drugs, which are destroying the youth of Kusari. Foerign Corps bring foreign ideas into Kusari, which the FA see as a threat. The Farmers ideal would be that all foergin corps are thrown out of Kusari. They are an ethnocentric group, meaning that they feel the Kusari culture is better than all others, and therefore interaction with other cultures is going to damage the purity of Kusari. I know it's been said before, and it's fairly simplistic, but think Kusari Xenos.
The Farmers Alliance was started by farmers who had lost jobs due to the influx of cheap synthfood, but it is completly rational that this group would become a banner, that various groups of Kusari, who feel they have been hurt by foreigners, could rally and unite under. It is illogical to think that the Farmers Alliance when it was started and the Farmers Alliance today would be the same. The Farmers Alliance would better be described as a workers rights group as opposed to a Farmers rights group. The reason it is the Farmers alliance, and not the Miners or the teachers or the chopstick makers (was that bad?), alliance, is that it was started by farmers, but is not nessesaraly exclusive to them.
I take issue with the comment that we are just looking for a way to pirate without risk. I have worked very hard both in game and here on the boards, to develop the Farmers RP so everyone could see and understand it (and I mean waaaaayyyy before the AFA.) I find it intresting that someone who is flying a trader with NO TAG and GENERIC ID is coming after our RP. Traders who do this are the worst. It would be so much easier to RP the Farmers if 90% of the traders didnt do this. Traders who do this are saying "I have no connections to anyone, so you shouldnt mess with me." I have a TON of respect for Simon for RPing a trader that is a memebr of the House Corp with the most enemies out their. Yeah, I'm sure it's much harder for him, but I'm sure he has soooo much more fun. This goes for all traders playing corprate ID's. It's easy to RP have no connections to anyone, cause there is none. It's harder to play a corprate character with the complex diplomacy connected to it.
If anyone still has unanswered questions, feel free to post them and I will do my best to answer them.
Thanks for reading all the way to the bottom guys.
I agree with your points about Generic ID.. Trader ID needs to be ditched!
Oh and, one thing. Ok, I'm used to your 'Hogoshu' spelling:P
But you'v written 'corpse' twice, and I think you meant 'crops'.
You might want to change that, 'foreign corpses' surely sounds weird:P
Also, just to add on your point about 2 kinds of people.
It is like that in corporations as well.. Samura is being traditional, while Kishiro is being liberal and open for all houses.
So, I wouldn't be surprised to see Blood Dragons financed by Kishiro, while Hogosha and FA are financed by Samura.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
yeah, my spelling is particularly bad, especially for a 29yr old teacher, but what ca I say, sometimes I forget to get to the spell check, and I haven't seen the grammar nazi (who used to regularly chastise me for my Hogoshu spelling) around lately. as for "corps" I was using it as short for Corporations
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I always thought that Blood Dragons are the radical ones here. Shogunate was radical, Samura took over the goverment and established KNF, Blood Dragons were forced out of Kusari and the new goverment is being slowly influenced by foreign influence, therefore slowly moving towards liberal direction, signing deals with foreigners, allowing Bounty Hunters move further in their space. They hate Bounties, but they do pretty damn good job:D
Blood Dragons are revolutionists.. They are trying to change Kusari completely.
Kishiro perfectly fits this theory as well, as they are much more involved with foreigners.
GC also wants changes, as females are discriminated in Kusari, and they want a total turn over.
Hogosha is simply a mob. They are so implemented in the system that no one can chase them out.
Quote:Their political connections would make any serious attempt to dismantle them an embarrassment to Kusari as any number of secrets and deals that had been kept out of the public eye came to light.
They don't want anything new, because if anything would change in Kusari they would loose their power.
Government can't do anything against them, because they know too much, and too many people.
Quote:However, neither do the Hogosha have a free license to operate. Arrests of low-level Hogosha operators who flaunt their activities are frequent and help keep up appearances -- very important in Kusari.
Individual opinions vary, but most police consider the Hogosha a necessary evil required for the smooth functioning of Kusari society.
The government simply treats the Hogosha like any other large keiretsu.
So, they are actually treated like Samura or Kishiro.
Quote:They view the Junkers as their only real competitors within the Sirius Sector, and their only obstacle to expansion into the other Houses. They have approached the Corsairs to assist them in their plan, although no concrete steps have been taken.
This can be very interesting story for future events, as soon as someone makes a Hogosha faction again.
And one more thing about Hogosha
Quote:The Hogosha made a recent arrangement to purchase Artifacts directly from the Corsairs on the cruise ship Hawaii, a move that infuriated the GMG, who formerly served as the middleman between the two crime syndicates.
This is just one interesting point. I never knew why is GMG hostile to Hogosha, and then I found this.
So, GMG were once allied with Corsairs.. And Hogosha took their place.
Samura and Farmers are on this side, as they both loose profit because of foreigners.
Kusari has the most interesting corporation > pirates relations in Sirius.
And greatest potential.
These things can't be seen with Daunman or Bowex.
Sorry for bothering about Hogosha on Farmers thread, but they are my favorite faction! I abuse every opportunity:$
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
I have one silly question now... Does Kusari have an emperor? I remember reading that Shogunate was overthrew by Samura, so the emperor was most likely expelled as well or executed. Bloodline destroyed I guess... So... no emperor? Prime minister is highest power? Or was a new one appointed bu Samura. He would be controlled by Samura, I guess. So, where is emperor Ju [its a metaphor...]? What happened to him?
Now Im thinking... perhaps there was no emperor, just the shogunate without shogun, like a council? Probably not... There must have been a shogun. What happened?
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