Balance question

[Ipuvaepe]

Problem is when all other guns are better then Salamancas

Salamancas are very big on wasting energy, a problem when many users are nerfed to 90% or even 75%. They are also very big on busting hulls and taking names. If you find their damage/power is too high, use something else. Do they deserve lower energy use? Yes, their nerf was applied not taking into account most users nerfed towards them. I have used sallies (90%) on a black dragon (90%) more effectively than you make them out to be on a titan, and the bd's powercore sucks hard to begin with. Are they horrible? lolno

I think everone who claims Salas are good should state a reason, an argument

You don't seem to understand. You are challenging the typical consensus - we have accepted your challenge, present your evidence.

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The second big question is...would you forgo your Wraith,Eagle, Sabre or Odin combined with faction tech to use solely a Titan with sair tech if we exclude rp(so you would have a sala titan in RM, for example)? Would you really pick the Titan as your one above all favourite ship statwise? Would you pick it as your VHF of choice?
If not...why? And why would you argue that the Titan is perfectly fine with the mentioned examples?

First of all, I don't pick my ships according to stats. I think you shouldn't either, but that's your own choice.

Secondly, no I would not. Why? I don't like big ships. Titan is a big ship yes, that doesn't make it a bad ship though. I have a Bretonia Armed Forces Eagle. Why? I don't like the Templar. The Templar is a big ship. Is it slow? No. Is it bad? No. I just don't like it. It doesn't fit my play style. It's personal taste really.

Titan is perfectly fine, yes. Why do I think this? Because I have flown a Titan. Both in duels and in group fights. Its one of the hardest ships to hit in a group fight because of its wiggle. Its good for newbies to fly into duels because of its firepower and joust capability. Despite that, you can still glide in it.

Does this answer satisfy you?

Edit: And why do I like Salamancas? Because I think they're a good weapon. I don't pick my weapons by comparing them to every other weapon in the mod. I pick them because I like them. I used Salamancas for ages. I did bounty contracts for Corsairs just to get some Salamancas for my merc, even though I could have used any other weapon in the mod. I think their stats are fine. They're slow, but they're neutrons, they're supposed to be slow. They use up a lot of energy - they were meant to go on a Titan, which has heap tons of energy. I honestly don't see a problem.

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[Yber]

I think everone who claims Salas are good should state a reason, an argument - claiming things are like you tell just because you say so is simply the same as saying nothing at all(if not worse)

You seem to forget that salamancas have the same speed than Coladas/ Tizonas. Slow? Yes. With a balanced speed towards your own guns? Yes. You'd have reasons to complain about the speed if they were different to every other gun, let's say, 400 ms. But imo, I hit more with 600ms than with 750ms. A lot of people use that speed.

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[sampankaj001]

Sair guns & ship line needs a buff....

I'm here since 4.83, never saw a big changes in sair's guns & Shiplines, where as most other faction got some buff's/nerf's...that left sair ships & guns behind & made them useless with every buff/nerf to other faction guns with whome sairs fights...

after the last buff/nerf (as per p.o.v.) they are useless from other sair fighters, have you seen any Gladi / Centi in 4.86 with salas on it....

I switched my guns to flash point as they are doing better than salas....

I would like if a sair faction decides to use Eagles / black dragons.....then people say why wont you use your own ships(as they sucks & better to gets blues)....


It seems whoever posting on sair sides here, are most of the sair faction players....like to know if any sair faction player says salas are good....

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[Silver]

Want to counter Wraiths/Odins? Get some Black Dragons.
Want to counter Templars/Werewolfs? Get your fat Titans.

Lulz.
Betty.

(rofl)

If at least i knew how to fly it.

<3

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[Dubstep]

like to know if any sair faction player says salas are good....

Because the opinion of Corsair faction players is more important than that of everyone else.

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[Rodnas]

Well Dubstep, thanks for your honest answer- it is good to see people still pick stuff due to sympathy and coolness factor (while i do love number crunching you still see me flying around in my titan or praetorian or rarely with a decu-so i don't even choose after my own recommendation;) )

Also,again- i see no problem with people using and loving 600 speed guns, it is all good and actually i think people use them beacuase most of the codes are 600, too.
Still the numbers don't support any claim they are "good"guns, and claiming that the Titan offsets this with his big core is iffy at best in my book. The high consume just reduces the advantage of the titan(namely a big core) to rubble- you can#t fire them longer afterall, but shorter then a "norma" ship with "normal" guns, where is the advantage? How comes sair guns are more inefficient as codes? Everywhere it is claimed codies are inefficent due to their high damage. Now if codies are more efficient as salas and also do more damage...where is the logic? I find none.
Also- everyone forgets about the rest of the shipline: the HFs and the LF don't have the supercore...and are perfoming quite poor with the energy guzzlers:(

And with the ship choice, that is as expected and i am very sure you are not alone. No one likes to use the big slow "thing" in gaming- as stated in my first post, agility trumps all.

Also...wasn't the 4.85 sabre THE newbie ship because it was so easy to fly? Wasn't it the anti-Titan from a conceptual point of view? Many people claim that the titan is a ship for seasoned players because it needs so much training to use properly?

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[Ipuvaepe]

Sair guns & ship line needs a buff....I would like if a sair faction decides to use Eagles / black dragons.

No, you really wouldn't. Black Dragon is the opposite of what the Charon was, it's the fighter equivalent of the cupholder - VHF engine and size with HF powercore, armor, cargo space and b/b.

Even if Corsairs could fly it unnerfed (You can't, 75%) it would suck.

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Also- everyone forgets about the rest of the shipline: the HFs and the LF don't have the supercore...and are perfoming quite poor with the energy guzzlers:(

I partly agree with that. The LF is kinda bad (IMO), I never liked the Gladiator, but, in my honest opinion, I think that the Centurion is really freakin' good. I used it for a few weeks and I quite liked it. Could be just me though.

And with the ship choice, that is as expected and i am very sure you are not alone. No one likes to use the big slow "thing" in gaming- as stated in my first post, agility trumps all.

The Titan isn't /that/ slow. It's a bit sluggish and big, yes, but it does have an awesome shape to avoid fire, you can't deny that.

Also...wasn't the 4.85 sabre THE newbie ship because it was so easy to fly? Wasn't it the anti-Titan from a conceptual point of view? Many people claim that the titan is a ship for seasoned players because it needs so much training to use properly?

The 4.85 Sabre was incredibly overpowered. Anyone could do good in it without even knowing how to actually fly it. Even though the Sabre has been my primary ship for 4+ years now, I was among those who wanted it to be nerfed. Even when the first version of 4.86 came out, I tried it out and felt that it was still OP, even after the nerf, so I asked for another and supplied my reasoning for it. The 4.85 Sabre shouldn't be taken into any kind of balance discussion because there was nothing balanced about it.

That said, yes, I think the Titan is a newbie friendly ship because it is a good jouster (which is what most people do anyway for God knows what reason), has good firepower and incredible shape to avoid firepower.

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[Sava]

lol.
Sally does 575 damage per hit, NOT 530.
Titan is a really good ship, and is hard to hit when flown properly. Sadly, can't say the same about corsair light fighter, which is just weak and easy target.

I myself fly Titan with class 10 guns because i like to pierat, therefore efficiency is important.