' Wrote:Ok, but that's just because I've raised some good points you cannot argue with.
Can anyone answer all the points I've raised, in a reasonable way?
Also, I could say the same thing for you.
Can anyone explain the flaws in the story?
What you see as flaws, other people see as good story writing.
There are lots of good parts, the change in focus for Kusari, the threat to Bretonia from the Gallics, and the long term threat to Liberty and the rest of Sirius for from the Gallics, the advances of the Nomads and the reaction of the Order, the advance of the Corsairs in O47, the beginning of more activity in Gallia and more interaction between gallia and Sirius. There are many more, it's a story and every part of it is a good part, because they all work together to tell a good story.
But now I assume you are going to go through my list and tell me why you think they are bad. Let's see if you prove me right.
Note: All of the below is a best-case scenario for Gallia. As should be obvious.
' Wrote:Incorrect assumption, they still need to occupy them.
Destroy the shipyards, the battleships, the cruisers and bomber wings. While they won't get everything, they'll get enough that any resistance can be easily suppressed with one battleship per system and a moderate fighter presence. This is a place with, so the story goes, over a hundred battleships, so that's really not a problem. Hold Bretonia, rebuild, attack the next House, repeat. By the fourth, they're behind maybe 20 battleships tops to hold their captured territory - which would be a minor problem if this wasn't, you know, Gallia.
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Now, if the devs are smart, they're not going to go that way. Gallia's probably not going to make it past Bretonia. But the underlying strategy based on their resources isn't that farfetched. It's not perfect... but humans aren't perfect, and Gallia seems to be run by greedy, arrogant bastards.
' Wrote:There are lots of good parts, the change in focus for Kusari, the threat to Bretonia from the Gallics, and the long term threat to Liberty and the rest of Sirius for from the Gallics, the advances of the Nomads and the reaction of the Order, the advance of the Corsairs in O47, the beginning of more activity in Gallia and more interaction between gallia and Sirius. There are many more, it's a story and every part of it is a good part, because they all work together to tell a good story.
But know I assume you are going to go through my list and tell me why you think they are bad. Let's see if you prove me right.
Well, yes, I am.
This "change in focus" as you put it.
You see theres one fundamental problem with that, and thats because it was already decided that Bretonia, not Kusari was going to be in this war.
So the dev team had to explain that inconsistency, so they came up with that excuse.
Would suing for peace not be an indespicable thing to do? Seeing as they like going on about honour?
So, then surrendering or running from battle isn't then?
This "change in focus" as you put it.
You see theres one fundamental problem with that, and thats because it was already decided that Bretonia, not Kusari was going to be in this war.
So the dev team had to explain that inconsistency, so they came up with that excuse.
Would suing for peace not be an indespicable thing to do? Seeing as they like going on about honour?
So, then surrendering or running from battle isn't then?
I could list for you all the times throughout history that coups have happened during wars to stop the government from proceeding with the war, but I would run out of room to post, it has happened so many times. There is no inconsistency in that. And by change of focus, I mean the fact that instead of having Kusari rp focus on the Taus and Leeds, as they have for the last 2 versions, which has been very bad for the Blood Dragons in particular, the Kusari rp will be much more about the interactions between the Kusari factions. It gives Kusari players a whole new set of situations to explore with a new government and many new politics. There has basically been a moderate revolution in Kusari, and it will be very fun and interesting to explore how that plays out between the various factions.
To sum up, there is absolutely nothing in the Lore to suggest that this is a situation that couldn't happen. There have been coups in Kusari before, and the last two versions we have seen Samura saddled with more debt and Kishiro moving more into the high profit world of high tech, giving them a significant surplus of cash on hand, the kind of cash that fuels coups. Its not surprising that at Kusari's darkest hour, the government would be most susceptible to to overthrow, which is what happens, and makes complete sense. After the change of power, the new government would have to establish itself as different than the last, the most obvious way is to end the wars Kusari was involved in. If you think this doesn't make sense, you really, really need to learn about history.
' Wrote:I could list for you all the times throughout history that coups have happened during wars to stop the government from proceeding with the war, but I would run out of room to post, it has happened so many times. There is no inconsistency in that. And by change of focus, I mean the fact that instead of having Kusari rp focus on the Taus and Leeds, as they have for the last 2 versions, which has been very bad for the Blood Dragons in particular, the Kusari rp will be much more about the interactions between the Kusari factions. It gives Kusari players a whole new set of situations to explore with a new government and many new politics. There has basically been a moderate revolution in Kusari, and it will be very fun and interesting to explore how that plays out between the various factions.
Ok, seeing as we're referring to real life situations I'll add to the fact that Kusari is based on Japan.
Could you just answer this one, when did Japan surrender? And did they surrender after the very first action?
Did they sue for peace? Go on, what happened?
' Wrote:Ok, seeing as we're referring to real life situations I'll add to the fact that Kusari is based on Japan.
Could you just answer this one, when did Japan surrender? And did they surrender after the very first action?
Did they sue for peace? Go on, what happened?
Japan surrendered in World War II, that one is pretty simple. There wasn't one action between the Gallics and Kusari, there were many, it was not a one battle and done thing. You should read the storyline more carefully.
' Wrote:Japan surrendered in World War II, that one is pretty simple. There wasn't one action between the Gallics and Kusari, there were many, it was not a one battle and done thing. You should read the storyline more carefully.
Yes I read it thanks, It was more or less one action really, they gave up without really putting up a fight at all.
But to answer my question, yes they surrendered, but what were the circumstances of their surrender?
' Wrote:Yes I read it thanks, It was more or less one action really, they gave up without really putting up a fight at all.
But to answer my question, yes they surrendered, but what were the circumstances of their surrender?
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Kusari lost all major battles in Tau-31 to Gallia, though sometimes managing to inflict heavy losses upon the Royal Fleet, but ending up suffering even bigger losses themselves. By that point Bretonia, already aware that the Gallic offensive was mainly focused against itself and not Kusari, offered a ceasefire to Kusari, which Kusari refused to accept or acknowledge.
Kusari lost all major battles, which means there were at least a few major battles between Kusari and Gallia. That is not one. Also, they didnt accept the first attempt at peace.
And I really dont want to have to explain the end of WWII in the Pacific to you, but since I am a history guy, I cant pass up the chance.
The Japanese surrender to the Americans in Tokyo bay was the result of several factors, the most notable of which was the US dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Other factors were the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, as well as the fact that the United States had taken islands in the Pacific, putting US land based bombers within range of the Japanese main Islands. While Japan was in bad shape, the neither the United States nor the Soviet Union, nor for that matter the Chinese were in a position to easily take the Japanese main islands. Modern estimates suggest that it would have taken at least 1 million US troops to invade Japan, with death tolls estimated to be in the range of 300,000. This was why the A-bomb was used, a show of unmatchable power.... much like the Gallic advance into the Taus. Anyway, I am not sure what a discussion of the end of World War Two has to do with this, but there is your explanation.