Yeah while I think that GMG buying the base that far out is a bit silly I think admins removing a bid just cause they don't agree with a roleplay like that seems like a bad idea imo
(07-29-2015, 06:05 PM)SpaceTime Wrote: Foreign entities are known to, you know, buy things in other countries or Houses or call it whatever you like. And I am sure Liberty is a House open in foreign investment so GMG buying a PoB there is totally in-Roleplay. The fact that it is not within the ZoI doesn't make sense. ZoI is about shooting and pirating, not conducting roleplay.
And like I said before
(07-29-2015, 05:38 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: There are several H-Fuel depots in other house systems that aren't owned by the GMG but are supplied by them, the GMG is now wanting to control all aspects of H-fuel via Vertical Integration
It is well within Role Play (and real life) to expand operations, its a shame that the admin team would rather snub a group rather than tell off a mod that isn't happy how others are playing with their old toys.
(07-29-2015, 05:23 PM)Alley Wrote: GMG bid removed. Ontario is quite a far stretch from your territory.
That was a very bad admin decision there. Except the concerning fact that the green team is interfering with the roleplay environment more and more the last time, this exact decision is actually... wrong.
Foreign entities are known to, you know, buy things in other countries or Houses or call it whatever you like. And I am sure Liberty is a House open in foreign investment so GMG buying a PoB there is totally in-Roleplay. The fact that it is not within the ZoI doesn't make sense. ZoI is about shooting and pirating, not conducting roleplay.
Subsequently I call @Alley to reverse her decision or provide sufficient explanations on how this warranted the admins to swoop over and interfere in the roleplay, retcon and alter it.
Ok sure, here the bid is back. If you make a post in 2 months about how your immersion is ruined by a GMG owned base outside their ZOI expect this post to be quoted.
With all due respect, even you , @Mark_Brown should admit that apart from this holy crusade calling it a forward hub or new possibility or whatever you want, it's all about being able to collect ore over there, either by you guys or by miners who used to sell for the previous owner. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what GMG is about, and you know it.
Someone mentioned DSE and scrap before ... that at least makes sense, DSE is a factory company, building ships , ship hull panels and so on ... salvaging metal can be in it's repertoir cause it's closer to their main area of interest .
But mining and hauling Platinum ore, or any other kind of ore is way too far from what GMG ever did or is suppose to do. And I have a harsh feeling the people backing up your idea so much will be involved in fillin the base up and so on.
Oi! It just hit me... expect an OSC alien organism mining station on the Sigmas soo, cause OSC wants to try something new ... does this only sound ridiculous to me ?
It seems more like a shortcut to get a PoB near a Platinum ore field, more than anything else. There is no mineable gas or anything near that PoB afaik, like your name suggests. I guess it is not wrong to expect a bit more in terms of "quality RP" from a faction contending for officialdom. As of now, I can't think of any reason as to why a GMG faction, out of all factions, would want to invest in a PoB far from their area of interest. errr...well, what plans do you have for that PoB if at all you get it? Apart from stocking up platinum ore with indy DSE miners, that.
(07-29-2015, 06:50 PM)Oldum Wrote: Someone mentioned DSE and scrap before ... that at least makes sense, DSE is a factory company, building ships , ship hull panels and so on ... salvaging metal can be in it's repertoir cause it's closer to their main area of interest .
I used it as an example on how a group can expand its operations
(07-29-2015, 06:50 PM)Oldum Wrote: But mining and hauling Platinum ore, or any other kind of ore is way too far from what GMG ever did or is suppose to do. And I have a harsh feeling the people backing up your idea so much will be involved in fillin the base up and so on.
Gas Miners Guild, of course why would they want to mine anything besides Gas, I wonder if this would be such an issue if the IMG was buying the base.
(07-29-2015, 06:50 PM)Oldum Wrote: Oi! It just hit me... expect an OSC alien organism mining station on the Sigmas soo, cause OSC wants to try something new ... does this only sound ridiculous to me ?
Yes it does, because Orbial Spa and Cruise has never mined a day in their life, and why should they touch the filthy dirt. Whereas the Gas Miners Guild already has experience with mining Ore
(07-29-2015, 06:35 PM)Alley Wrote: Ok sure, here the bid is back. If you make a post in 2 months about how your immersion is ruined by a GMG owned base outside their ZOI expect this post to be quoted.
Wait, so after pulling a bid when a mod complains you reverse your decision on a whim as well; Abuse your position much? Maybe next time all parties involved should submit a Violation Report instead of abusing their authority.
(07-29-2015, 07:01 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I used it as an example on how a group can expand its operations
However, while expanding their operations, they stayed pretty close to what they do anyways ... therefore, it was probably bugging junkers or ALG , but otherwise I don't see any real reason to make this as an example for the current situation.
(07-29-2015, 07:01 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Gas Miners Guild, of course why would they want to mine anything besides Gas, I wonder if this would be such an issue if the IMG was buying the base.
Here, fixed it for ya ... and yes, IMG buying that base would make more sense, although it's pretty far from their ZoI as well. GMG has the equipment to mine and refine He-3 and Helium and to make fuel, however, lore wise and inRP , they are not suppose to have equipment for solid matterial .. unless they want to store ores in gas tanks ... yea sure ...
So since this is an RP server, unless they'd RP it out right, it's just straight powergaming to get something that can make credits for them.
(07-29-2015, 07:01 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: Yes it does, because Orbial Spa and Cruise has never mined a day in their life, and why should they touch the filthy dirt. Whereas the Gas Miners Guild already has experience with mining Ore
Wrong .. they have experience with mining He-3 and making fuel ... taking a gas , even if it's in a liquid form and a solid ore under the same hat is stupid, not only using common sense , but basic chemistry knowledge .. or physics ..
(07-29-2015, 07:14 PM)Oldum Wrote: However, while expanding their operations, they stayed pretty close to what they do anyways ... therefore, it was probably bugging junkers or ALG , but otherwise I don't see any real reason to make this as an example for the current situation.
Its currently the only example I'm aware of where a group goes and does something that they couldn't do before, much like this situation.
(07-29-2015, 07:14 PM)Oldum Wrote: Here, fixed it for ya ... and yes, IMG buying that base would make more sense, although it's pretty far from their ZoI as well. GMG has the equipment to mine and refine He-3 and Helium and to make fuel, however, lore wise and inRP , they are not suppose to have equipment for solid matterial .. unless they want to store ores in gas tanks ... yea sure ...
So since this is an RP server, unless they'd RP it out right, it's just straight powergaming to get something that can make credits for them.
How is it powergaming if they don't even own the station yet? Also they can trade and mine H-3, which has better and higher selling points than Platinum.
(07-29-2015, 07:14 PM)Oldum Wrote: Wrong .. they have experience with mining He-3 and making fuel ... taking a gas , even if it's in a liquid form and a solid ore under the same hat is stupid, not only using common sense , but basic chemistry knowledge .. or physics ..
While granted I'll give you that someone drilling an oil well isn't going to be the same person who is mining for copper, their company can own both the person who is mining copper and drilling for oil. I still believe that this whole situation falls under the preview of vertical integration.
Further more by arguing that the station isn't going to be used in its intended manner I'd like to point out the number of the various stations around the sector that were built with one purpose in mind but ended up pulling double duty or even moving away entirely from their stated purpose.
(07-29-2015, 07:26 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: TL ; DR , lawyering your point with no strong proof behind it , or nothing to back it up...
I won't even bother to argue with you, the whole thing is bull... you know ... it makes absolutely 0 sense , it never will, no matter how GMG , their leader or anyone tries ti justify it.
Here's my probably worthless 2 cents on the matter.
There's a reason why factions do what they do. It's pretty much black and white. ALG collects trashes, Junkers are Junkers, IMG mines outside of the houses where corporations can't reach them, USI is Space FedEx, the Gaians are just Bretonian ecoterrorists, yada yada.
The factions do what they're supposed to do. I understand wanting to expand your roleplay, but your roleplay is the roleplay of your faction. The faction as a whole has a direction, a goal, and just does what it does. GMG mines gas and acts as a miniature house. That's what they do. They mind their business and sell H-fuel. Do they have foreign interests? Perhaps, but certain situations are a bit far-fetched.
Because you can doesn't mean you should. It's basically treading on the feet of other factions and other potential roleplays. Plenty of factions have interests in Ontario much before the GMG would even consider as such, as an entity. Perhaps your faction is different, or a sub-group within a larger organisation and I can accept and recognize that. If such is the case, then either the GMG ID is unfitting for the faction, or tweaks and sacrifices should be done.