Official Factions

[Elvin]

That's what sanction reports are for. It's not up to any player or faction to police other players, all you can do is report them to the Admins. And if they can't get sanctioned for it, odds are they aren't actually doing anything wrong (even if you don't like it).

Hey, I've heard that aready once. " What is not reportable, is right " This is extreme nonsense. The same nonsense as " What won't kill you, makes you stronger " If I cut off my left arm, it won't kill me. But how does that make me stronger? These two sayings are exactly identical.

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I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.

[Zelot]

Well, when you've mentioned THAT case already... Zoner Juggernout, under Orders flag camps Manhattan. Bs blew him up. I think they do not have any right to say " Noone will attack Liberty from now on " , yea, that is actually wrong. But the faction itself should take care of individuals dangerous to both faction and everyone around.

And what you are missing is that the Order infocard lists liberty as HOSTILE. So what was happening was you were trying to tell other order players that they were not allowed to follow what their infocard says. That is trying to enforce non-cannon rp. Thats why you are wrong.

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[Reverend Del]

Actually Dab an official Faction CAN enforce the laws it makes. So long as those laws do not stop somebody with the right IFF and ID buying something he should be able to buy. That is the ONLY thing you cannot do in your gaurd system, the ONLY thing.

You cannot enforce non-canon RP on folks. Not allowed. And That is it, so long as your laws are a) not restricting someone's right to purchase something or b) contradicting discovery canon, then you can fire all volleys forward and blow the offending scumbag into spacedust. Carrying cardi through Liberty? Get caught by the law? Refuse to pay the fine? Boom dead and good luck to the guys on the ends of the winning triggers.

Carrying Artifacts through Malta? Get caught by the 101st? Then kiss goodbye to that cargo one way or the other, and yes an Indy can do that, but ONLY with the blessing of the official factions.

Indy fellow blows up someone for no good reason that he can prove, then you can declare him a pain in the ass and reduce him to his component atoms. One thing Official Factions DO have is a measure of weight behind their actions. An independent cannot set NPC faction policy if their is a faction there to set it already, neither can an unofficial faction. An unofficial LR faction cannot police my ban on capital vessels docking on Buffalo. My LR can.

But that policy is within RP, it states that Buffalo does not have the capability to deal with large vessels. As a result if you drain our resources by docking there we will reclaim those resources with fire. We do not say you cannot own Rogue Gunboats, which are currently the single most spammed gunboat in the game. Because to do so would be against Igiss vision of this mod that all should be able to fly what they wish so long as they stay within RP and the rules.

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[Drake]

And there are situations where players are being disruptive and going against game canon, but not quite violating any rules. No one can take any action to stop him. When they don't, they themselves look bad because they 'allowed' it to happen. Seen this happen to the OC factions time after time. And when they DO try to step in and do something about it, they get a warning or sanction because they tried to dictate something, then a new admin notice comes out to lay down some more restrictions.

And I've seen disruptive players who aren't technically breaking any rules dealt with by Admins. Teleported elsewhere, for example. If you can't file a sanction report, contact an Admin directly (especially if there's one in-game, send him a message).

[Dab]

If there was no official faction rules saying it's illegal, then indies and unofficial factions wouldn't be allowed to stop 'innocent' traders unless they were actually members of an enemy corporation. And the Liberty embargo on Rhineland would be particularly ooRP, since they aren't actually at war.

If the independent had given the same reasons the official faction had, he would have been allowed to do it. It wouldn't be OORP if he can explain why its RP.

To this I point you to the Zoner laws that have been drafted by Entrepreneur. Thats right, he is an independent, as is Grimly, who made some up for Freeport 9. I saw no admin hand come in and smack him down, saying NO! You can't do this, your not an official faction. He gave RP reasons for the restrictions made, and no one argued with him on it. If what you guys keep saying is true, he should have gotten a notice from the admins saying that only the TAZ, the only official Zoner faction, may make those laws. So I see statements here to go against what has happened and seem quite shallow and baseless to me in light of that.

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[Dusty Lens]

Perhaps I'm simple, or naive, or perhaps I've never enjoyed the political game or been worried that the name of my faction would somehow be dragged through the dirty by the actions of persons not associated with me.

But the only motivator I've ever felt for helping to establish and running an official faction was to serve as the best example I could muster for the corner of the world that we wanted to make excellent. To gain access to the official forum dumps to host our stories and the recruiting section to see if we could attract other like minded players to come and fly with us.

Also, to modify tau-45 to serve as a better base of operations for the Xenos, something we wouldn't have been able to do if we didn't take the extra step.

Along the way we were able to engage in our own fun, have plenty of back and forth with the locals as well as engage in some subtly un-cannon progression for the overall storyline and direction of the movement in the form of the handshake with the Order.

Could we have done most of that as an unofficial group? Sure, to be honest, we could have.

But I did it because I was proud of what we had achieved and wanted keener tools to achieve more.

[Elvin]

And what you are missing is that the Order infocard lists liberty as HOSTILE. So what was happening was you were trying to tell other order players that they were not allowed to follow what their infocard says. That is trying to enforce non-cannon rp. Thats why you are wrong.

*sigh* -Nice- as ever, aren't you? I am wrong, you are wrong, even so, we both have truth. Funny thing, yea. You know why is this possible? Because it is about opinion. Let's not start debate over Rule Play and Role Play server again and ignore each other for a bit.

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I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.

[Reverend Del]

And I've seen disruptive players who aren't technically breaking any rules dealt with by Admins. Teleported elsewhere, for example. If you can't file a sanction report, contact an Admin directly (especially if there's one in-game, send him a message).

Bingo, and Drake wins another cookie. Got a third Corsair cap fleet on your doorstep and want it gone because it's ceased to be fun and is now just disruptive? Ask an Admin and we'll shift it. Got Oucasts in destroyers camping Manhattan, mention it to an Admin and it'll go away. Disruptive behaviour cannot be sanctioned but it can be made to go away.

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[Zelot]

*sigh* -Nice- as ever, aren't you? I am wrong, you are wrong, even so, we both have truth. Funny thing, yea. You know why is this possible? Because it is about opinion. Let's not start debate over Rule Play and Role Play server again and ignore each other for a bit.

Elvin, the problem here is that you are misrepresenting what happened with the BS and the THC. Liberty is an enemy of the Order, BS was trying to stop THC from treating them as such. You are in KNF, how would you feel if someone from outside came in and said your not allowed to treat the Blood Dragons or the GC as hostile? That is not ok, and that is what this is about.

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[Dab]

Actually Dab an official Faction CAN enforce the laws it makes. So long as those laws do not stop somebody with the right IFF and ID buying something he should be able to buy. That is the ONLY thing you cannot do in your gaurd system, the ONLY thing.

And what about OUTSIDE of that guard system? What are they still allowed to do that indies cannot?

You cannot enforce non-canon RP on folks. Not allowed. And That is it, so long as your laws are a) not restricting someone's right to purchase something or b) contradicting discovery canon, then you can fire all volleys forward and blow the offending scumbag into spacedust. Carrying cardi through Liberty? Get caught by the law? Refuse to pay the fine? Boom dead and good luck to the guys on the ends of the winning triggers.

All of which the indies can also do..

Carrying Artifacts through Malta? Get caught by the 101st? Then kiss goodbye to that cargo one way or the other, and yes an Indy can do that, but ONLY with the blessing of the official factions.

Now THIS almost made me laugh.. Since its completely ridiculous and you know that as well as I. If an Outcast sat there and watched an artifact smuggler fly by him and did nothing, he'd be considered OORP. I know that, you know that. And stopping that smuggler is an act EXPECTED of an Outcast. No one would ever be required to get 101st's permission. I know 100%, guaranteed, that if we blew up an OC who stopped an Artifact smuggler because he did it without permission, every single 101st involved would have been sanctioned on the spot. So please don't try to feed that crap to me.

Indy fellow blows up someone for no good reason that he can prove, then you can declare him a pain in the ass and reduce him to his component atoms. One thing Official Factions DO have is a measure of weight behind their actions. An independent cannot set NPC faction policy if their is a faction there to set it already, neither can an unofficial faction. An unofficial LR faction cannot police my ban on capital vessels docking on Buffalo. My LR can.

By your own words in the very post I'm quoting; "You cannot enforce non-canon RP on folks. Not allowed."

And now here you say that we can set NPC faction policy. So the 101st could declare a ceasefire with the IMG and CR, and the OC indies have to abide by it, and if they don't we have full permission to blow them into little bitty pieces..

My god that sounds similar. The name Bs| seems to ring in my ears, I could swear they did just this and got a nice shiny sanction report for it.

But that policy is within RP, it states that Buffalo does not have the capability to deal with large vessels. As a result if you drain our resources by docking there we will reclaim those resources with fire. We do not say you cannot own Rogue Gunboats, which are currently the single most spammed gunboat in the game. Because to do so would be against Igiss vision of this mod that all should be able to fly what they wish so long as they stay within RP and the rules.

That sounds similar to the 101st wanting to restrict docking access to Corsica.. That got admin-slapped real quick.

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