' Wrote:I think part of that problem is that in the US infotainment-style news and the money behind politics can manipulate people into believing that anyone who really tries to do something for americans is a socialist, and that socialism equals stalinism equals national socialism.
This is true, but equally, there is media on the left that paints all conservatives as being ignorant. Which is not true either.
Media needs to get back to being media - aka, reporting facts and not spinning it.
BTW - this is something that DOESNT happen in china.
What happens generally in elections? Its not just the USA thats complaining about the 2 party system, its other countries like Australia. The problem is that the two parties have basically sold out to corporate interests and there is no choice anymore.
Im curious to know what happens in your system - does anyone ever have a majority?
Yep its true that parties can be sold to corporate, same applies to here also even more.
As each rival corporate joins/supports the different parties...
Indian assembly have two houses, 1. Upper House (245 seats), 2.Lower house (545 seats)
Currently here, We have 6 National level parties, out of which only 3-4 haves long standing history of 30-40 years andd well experianced & corrupt too..
Work is going on he in Three fronts (small parties have to join a front or they are useles) - UPA, NDA & Left Front (Communists)
As per my knowledge somewhat like 600-800:crazy: political parites took part in last elections of 2009, plus Independent/unregistered parties are also can stand for a election soo:(, Imagine the mess..
Also in 2005, our Election Commission issued the list of 730:rtfm:registered political parties.
(Imagine 545 seats = 700 parties + Independent/unregistered parties):crazy:
Nearly 50% of them are state level parties, also 25% of them represents in National assembly sometime in few numbers ranging from 1-5.
The remaining 25% are the major state level parties who controls the in state (Do not include that 6 National parties here) as without them you cant form the Gov.
As far as I saw here, Only few Gov. in center & in states completed there time span of 5years.
Afterall here we says "Its happen only in India"
Quote:Current Indian Gov. haves following state
Alliances Party Seats
Party name No. of seats United Progressive Alliance Seats (UPA): 262
Indian National Congress 206
All India Trinamool Congress 19
Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam 18
Nationalist Congress Party 9
National Conference 3
Jharkhand Mukti Morcha 2
Indian Union Muslim League 2
Viduthalai Chiruthaigal Katchi 1
Kerala Congress (Mani) 1
All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen 1
National Democratic Alliance Seats (NDA): 159
Bharatiya Janata Party 116
Janata Dal (United) 20
Shiv Sena 11
Rashtriya Lok Dal 5
Shiromani Akali Dal 4
Telangana Rashtra Samithi 2
Asom Gana Parishad 1
Third Front
Seats: 79
Left Front
Left Democratic Front 24
Bahujan Samaj Party 21
Biju Janata Dal 14
All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam 9
Telugu Desam Party 6
Janata Dal (Secular) 3
Marumalarchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam 1
Haryana Janhit Congress 1
Fourth Front Seats: 27
Samajwadi Party 22
Rashtriya Janata Dal 4
Other Parties and Independents Seats: 16
Assam United Democratic Front 1
Jharkhand Vikas Morcha (Prajatantrik) 1
Nagaland People's Front 1
Bodaland Peoples Front 1
Swabhimani Paksha 1
Bahujan Vikas Aaghadi 1
Sikkim Democratic Front 1
Independents 9
Very interesting.
Im assuming that people form Coalitions all over the place?
Australia has a preferential voting system. To greatly simplify what that means, minor parties; who know they will not get power on their own, can pass "preferences: to major parties. It means basically that they agree to support major parties in the election. Practically speaking it avoids what you have there and also means that to get those preferences major parties have to work with minor parties to agree on certain issues and compromises. Its far from perfect, but it does work.
If we are looking at what china has, BOTH our systems are still more representative. India is an interesting case as they are often held up as the counter balance to how China as developed.
I lived in China for 3 and a half years and speak chinese, well to a degree, and these statistics lie in numbers. I spent a year in Shanghai and two years in Beijing, and although the government is very regulatory of everything that goes on, the citizens really dont take much notice. They just get on with their life and do what they have to.
I mean you really cant compare then apples to apples.
' Wrote:I lived in China for 3 and a half years and speak chinese, well to a degree, and these statistics lie in numbers. I spent a year in Shanghai and two years in Beijing, and although the government is very regulatory of everything that goes on, the citizens really dont take much notice. They just get on with their life and do what they have to.
I mean you really cant compare then apples to apples.
Ah a fellow expat:P
I lived in Beijing for 3 years. I agree with you for the most part, though i do think there is a large part of the community that does take an interest in what goes on in government - they just know that at the moment, there is little they can do to change anything.
Watch this space however, if you talked to Chinese people as I did, you'd know they are watching and listening.
Quote:Watch this space however, if you talked to Chinese people as I did, you'd know they are watching and listening.
Only when a chinese man threatens to go on the water tower with a machine gun if they deduce his taxes automatically before he gets the money will china be like america.
"Just finished watching Jesse Venturas Conspiracy Theory on Tru TV on FEMA CAMPS etc. The episode is called Police State. Chilling, you better have bought your guns and at the ready to protect your children. Residential Centers all over the country with 20 foot double fencing with razor wire pointed inward to keep people in and doors locked at the front with childrens playgrounds and children already in there playing on them. The people who eventually showed up at the door that came out to talk had no comments to all of his questions. Of all places guess where this particular place is located .. Texas. There are plenty more that are out there already or going up right now around the United States. They plan to seperate us into 10 states (do your research, Obama elected 10 governers, who no one voted for, not long ago) You best be paying attention and doing your research specifically on HR 645 & REX 84 (A Congressman who did not even read the bill, Governer Ventura spoke with played dumb and he was a co-sponsor of the bill, the actual Congressman who sponsored it is a Congressman out of Pennsylvania who "mysteriously" disappeared everytime Gov. Ventura showed up.) This is the last time I will say anything about this if you do not research, wake up, or pull your head out of your own a*s .. so be it. That means you're an idiot and you are a useless lazy american, that is no longer use to those of us who are fighting to stay informed. So in other words when they pull the f***ing switch and while your running around totally clueless and get loaded up, taken to one of these facilities or worse, your fault for not doing your duty as an American citizen. The only sympathy I will feel is for your children for having such imbeciles for parents. It is all documented people, you just have to know what to look for. They are depending on the fact that you will not go out of your way to do the research and just keep up with your busy life of work and family, they want you to be lazy and careless. I beg of everyone on my facebook to send out this message to everyone you know. (Copy & Paste, not so difficult) I do not give two sh*ts if anyone thinks I have lost my mind. After doing your own research and taking the time to read some of this stuff that is documented and easy to find (hidden in plain site) for yourself, you will be able to decide if it is worth paying attention to. For your families and childrens sake. So if you think these residential centers are for people (as the Congressman said in the episode I just watched) who fear Martians. Then your a f***ing idiot. If the Martians were coming to get us, I am pretty damned sure they would have the technology to get easy access over 20 foot fences if they can fly here from another planet. Yes, that is exactly what the Congressman told Jesse Ventura in this episode of Police State. So continue to be a dumba*s, I dare you. Not even bothering to link these bills for you, take some intiative and protect your families. Pull your head out of your a*s, your about to be f***ed. If it is too harsh, too bad. I do not have the time for your useless comments.
God Bless America & to Hell with the Bastards in DC."
I blipped out some of the swear words because, well, she's pretty pissed. But in a nutshell, what these people (the elitests) are trying to do is crash our economy by putting us so far in debt that we're up to our eyeballs. Then, when they do crash the economy, they'll put us into martial law. Bills were passed not long ago that gives the president complete power over the people in martial law, look that up as well, it's there. He wouldn't have to go through the House nor the Senate to pass laws. Not that it matters, they're all out to get us anyway.
Simply put, do your research on the stuff, don't just sit back and stay silent. Do your duty as Americans and say "enough of this BS". Don't let them soil what our forefathers have faught for, don't let them do this to our children or to our country.
Stand and fight for what you believe in.
A bit off topic, but it's all about their agenda. They're taking away our freedoms one by one, and this is just one of the many that are coming. Wake up America. Wake up.
~Leo
P.S. If the quoted note from FB is too harsh, admins, please feel free to edit at your disposal, I bleeped out the swear words, and I may have missed one or two, if I did, sorry in advance.