Since the miners, hessians, have BSs and JDs, civilians can use corvos: LR BS

[Anaximander]

Corporations could build aircraft carriers, space ships, laser robots and airplanes for their own use today.

You ever stopped to think why they never do it?

[Markus_Janus]

Corporations could build aircraft carriers, space ships, laser robots and airplanes for their own use today.

You ever stopped to think why they never do it?

Because there are no pirates hanging around in carriers/battleships and the lawfull/unlawfull ratio is on a far more realistic scale?

That arguement really wont work.

Corps will build as much defense as they need taking into account their expertise/ capital.

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[Ryummel]

Corporations could build aircraft carriers, space ships, laser robots and airplanes for their own use today.

You ever stopped to think why they never do it?

It's okay, every corp funds their own military training program for crewmen handling their future battleships, and all of this being super secret so governments don't complain of course!

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[Anaximander]

Corporations could build aircraft carriers, space ships, laser robots and airplanes for their own use today.

You ever stopped to think why they never do it?

Because there are no pirates hanging around in carriers/battleships and the lawfull/unlawfull ratio is on a far more realistic scale?

That arguement really wont work.

Corps will build as much defense as they need taking into account their expertise/ capital.

Not just that. Aden Bay, Somalia... Corporate shippers losing ships all the time. They ever mentioned building an aircraft carrier to put a stop to it?

No. For a lot of reasons, mostly because it is not something they in any way have expertise in. Not only in designing and building the ship, but maintaining it and training crew and developing a solid logistics network to support it. Heck of an expense to take on for a company that already pays taxes to a government to do that very job, right?

Even more importantly, none of the major powers in the region would allow it. Why should they? Japan would never allow Sony to build an aircraft carrier for their own use, no matter how many pirates were stealing PS4's on the way to the European market, because it challenges Japanese state authority and sovereignty. Why would Rheinland and Bretonia, the two major stakeholders in the region, hand over a slice of their power to an independent organisation, however benevolent it might be at the moment? More guns in more people's hands = less power in the hands of those who held the guns before. It simply won't be allowed to happen.

What a Daumann boss could do is complain a whole lot to the Rheinland Government about the severity of the situation. Complain about losing market parts to the IMG, how it will affect the Rheinland work force and how Daumann pays a bucket of taxes, threaten to bankroll another political candidate/usurper with a more corporate-friendly attitude. Or directly finance a group of Rheinland capitals, have them operate under a tag and use them for RP and to protect your mining operations as well. Easily done on a RM ID. Problem solved?

[Markus_Janus]

Corporations could build aircraft carriers, space ships, laser robots and airplanes for their own use today.

You ever stopped to think why they never do it?

Because there are no pirates hanging around in carriers/battleships and the lawfull/unlawfull ratio is on a far more realistic scale?

That arguement really wont work.

Corps will build as much defense as they need taking into account their expertise/ capital.

Not just that. Aden Bay, Somalia... Corporate shippers losing ships all the time. They ever mentioned building an aircraft carrier to put a stop to it?

No. For a lot of reasons, mostly because it is not something they in any way have expertise in. Not only in designing and building the ship, but maintaining it and training crew and developing a solid logistics network to support it. Heck of an expense to take on for a company that already pays taxes to a government to do that very job, right?

Even more importantly, none of the major powers in the region would allow it. Why should they? Japan would never allow Sony to build an aircraft carrier for their own use, no matter how many pirates were stealing PS4's on the way to the European market, because it challenges Japanese state authority and sovereignty. Why would Rheinland and Bretonia, the two major stakeholders in the region, hand over a slice of their power to an independent organisation, however benevolent it might be at the moment? More guns in more people's hands = less power in the hands of those who held the guns before. It simply won't be allowed to happen.

What a Daumann boss could do is complain a whole lot to the Rheinland Government about the severity of the situation. Complain about losing market parts to the IMG, how it will affect the Rheinland work force and how Daumann pays a bucket of taxes, threaten to bankroll another political candidate/usurper with a more corporate-friendly attitude. Or directly finance a group of Rheinland capitals, have them operate under a tag and use them for RP and to protect your mining operations as well. Easily done on a RM ID. Problem solved?

All very good points however I believe the first part is answered by yourself there, navy is there to do the job, now picture those same pirates in battleships and carriers in numbers approaching the navy, different scenario and welcome to disco.

While the Japanese government may have some control over Sony, that is only on Japanese soil and again no need because of my previous statement about level of threat displayed versus protection provided by the law.

Now take a look at a lot of mines in less developed areas, these corporations survive by being better armed than thier corresponding antagonists.

While you have a case with your proposition about Bretonia and Rheinland, that is not connected to your previous statements and is indeed the realm of this game, where this discussion belongs.

No matter where you go, when it comes to corps, one rule applies.
The bottom line is the bottom line.
If it is cheaper to lose some assets, claim it on insurance and move on, that is what they will do.
If it is cheaper to make a fuss and get better protection, that is what they will do.
If it is cheaper to intergrate an armed division, pay for training and kick some butt, well you guessed it.

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Samura Omotai Zaibatsu.

[Sanguines]

Hell Yeah! Finally there's one. (edit: lol, didn't notice it's the old model, first. Still ,it fits pretty damn well)

In caplancer, where you just need to add guild to your faction's name, or be some sort of revolutionary pirates, to get capitals, we lack house corporate cruiser.

Well, after Angry Miners got their Jorm, I guess this one was pretty inevitable.

P.S. I'm generally against the idea of "Minor factionz with da Big Shipz", but since it already started, it'd be good to level the playing field across the board. With minor faction capships staying slightly inferior to their house counterparts (Scylla is a perfect example of that).

Rogues/Mollies would be first in the list, imho.


P.P.S. I strongly believe it'd also reduce the amount of Ranseurs in Liberty Space. Since the main reason why people use those, is the lack of any domestically produced battleships.

http://discoverygc.com/wiki/Capital_ships

IMG is the only mining faction that has a battleship. I do not consider mollys a mining faction. BMM and Daumann are house space miners.

Without this, Outcasts would plainfully dominate IMG, considering piracy is allowed in caps. Before I left DC in 2011 cap pirating was not allowed.

Considerign IMG operates in remote systems, it should have capships available, because they -are- the main faction that fights OC currently with allies such as Lost Stars and CR. Sairs dont even fight OC that much.

IMG Caps are generally held in Tau's only too because of conflicts between GRN/Bret/Kusari.

House corperate cruisers are not good ideas.

They have theyr house's to mostly defend them, which is what the navy/police are for.

IMG has CR and |* but lets face it. The numbers are lower for IMG.

Thats the last thing you need, and cant even be nearly compared to IMG.

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[Jack_Henderson]

@Sangines: We no haz battlesheepz We haz cattlebruiser only.

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[hades durin]

the thing is both molly and rough face caps of ln, lsf, baf and who ever....
so it is good that they develop a battleship.

many things change in dc over the years and one point is that caps are more to count on, so why do not have them

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[SMGSterlin]

Not just that. Aden Bay, Somalia... Corporate shippers losing ships all the time. They ever mentioned building an aircraft carrier to put a stop to it?

No. For a lot of reasons, mostly because it is not something they in any way have expertise in. Not only in designing and building the ship, but maintaining it and training crew and developing a solid logistics network to support it. Heck of an expense to take on for a company that already pays taxes to a government to do that very job, right?

Even more importantly, none of the major powers in the region would allow it. Why should they? Japan would never allow Sony to build an aircraft carrier for their own use, no matter how many pirates were stealing PS4's on the way to the European market, because it challenges Japanese state authority and sovereignty. Why would Rheinland and Bretonia, the two major stakeholders in the region, hand over a slice of their power to an independent organisation, however benevolent it might be at the moment? More guns in more people's hands = less power in the hands of those who held the guns before. It simply won't be allowed to happen.

What a Daumann boss could do is complain a whole lot to the Rheinland Government about the severity of the situation. Complain about losing market parts to the IMG, how it will affect the Rheinland work force and how Daumann pays a bucket of taxes, threaten to bankroll another political candidate/usurper with a more corporate-friendly attitude. Or directly finance a group of Rheinland capitals, have them operate under a tag and use them for RP and to protect your mining operations as well. Easily done on a RM ID. Problem solved?

Allow me to bring up and use an old argument, that I never really liked or thought was logical in many aspects, but it seems to fit and apply here...

Space is dangerous.

2013 =/= 818 A.S


Today, of course corporations with things like fighter planes and fully militaristic vehicles wouldn't be approved of by hardly anyone. However, we're FAAAAAR into the future on Disco, and pirates and criminals have greatly increased in strength.

Simple fact is, corporations will increase in strength as well to counteract the strength of the pirates and criminals fighting against them. In this case, they would be getting their hands on some capital ships.

Don't bring real world examples into Disco related discussions, because simple fact is, they don't fit. Disco takes place almost 1000 years into the future. THINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE CHANGED.

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[Narcotic]

the thing is both molly and rough face caps of ln, lsf, baf and who ever....
so it is good that they develop a battleship.

many things change in dc over the years and one point is that caps are more to count on, so why do not have them

Rogues simply lack the ressources/money to construct Battleships (compared to house navys or hispanic houses). I'm even the opinion that miner battlecruisers and hessian battleships are a bad solution to compensate the strength of their arch enemies (IMG - Outcasts; Hessians - Corsairs). They could use bomber swarms like Rogues do, aswell.

As already said - a SRP Rogue BS or unique model should be fine. But I'd hate to see Rogue BS swarms raiding NY everyday. (And I say that as official Rogue who doesn't play any lawful Liberty corp/navy/police.)

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