New Odin Mk3 Model

[Echo 7-7]

I don't think the Odin needs replacing relative to all other ships in the mod.


I mean, we have a ship, the X-shuttle. It comes from a game older than Freelancer. (X: Beyond the Frontier)


Older.

Than.

Freelancer.


Plus ships like the Virage and Havoc Mk II, the latter for which, if remodeled and retextured, I might compensate the creator with credits.

Edit: And the Wasupu, Bull Dog, and Gitano need replacing.


Edit 2: My comments on the actual ship are similar to the concerns posed earlier w.r.t. areas which are too thin (wing joints) or too bulky (central body). The cockpit design is also a bit uninspired.

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[massdriver]

First I finish with Hessians, then other ships will have a reborn.

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[Vladimir]

Yes, because we all know how accurate polls are.

"Do you like this ship?" (Yes/No)

Instead of "Do you actually think this ship should replace the current line and why? Do you think it fits in with the Hessian lore and why?"

Would you like current Asgard line remade or retextured by massdriver and will robinson?

current Asgard line remade or retextured

82.35%

Seems pretty accurate to me. You see igor, there are two types of "arguements" you use. One is on first page, where you reasonably point out the model problems, like thin connections or anything. The second is the one you used in skype, the "I said that, nobody cares what you think or say, it's gonna be that way", and the second one is the one getting people annoyed and having nothing constructive in it at all. Circlejerk of agreeing with each other without saying anything new also doesn't help.

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[Altaris]

And why exactly the hessians do need complete overhaul of the line?

They dont.

Exacly what i've been trying to say. But whatever.

Remodel them if you want so much, but make their texture other than black. Not really "red" hessianish. Keep the old color, fuse it with new model, and you got proper model update.

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[Cond0r]

@Vladezhda:

You seem to be under the impression that Im saying "the model wont get in" just to annoy people or show some kind of disrespect.

No.

Im saying that because the model (-most probably-) wont get into the mod unless it is something astonishing and perfect, something that would daze everyone away. Why? Well because there is no urgent need to replace the current Hessian snubline. This model is, Im afraid, not good enough to do the above listed.

Yes, there have been cases before where ships have been replaced without a really strong need for them to be replaced. Why? Because the faction in question pushed for their replacement.

This is not the case here. I have been saying this from the beginning, as have many other people. You are rushing this for no reason. If you had put this effort into making a model for some faction or ship that actually needs a replacement, you would have gotten a far better result and response. I dont know why you just cant accept that?

Also, the poll option that you quoted does not include the details that I mentioned in my previous post.

Edit: I cant believe I came back to this thread for the 4th time just to try and explain something I have been trying to explain the first 3 times.

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[17:23:05] Mini Me: pls
[17:23:06] Mini Me: gtfo

[massdriver]

@Vladezhda:

You seem to be under the impression that Im saying "the model wont get in" just to annoy people or show some kind of disrespect.

No.

Im saying that because the model (-most probably-) wont get into the mod unless it is something astonishing and perfect, something that would daze everyone away. Why? Well because there is no urgent need to replace the current Hessian snubline. This model is, Im afraid, not good enough to do the above listed.

Yes, there have been cases before where ships have been replaced without a really strong need for them to be replaced. Why? Because the faction in question pushed for their replacement.

This is not the case here. I have been saying this from the beginning, as have many other people. You are rushing this for no reason. If you had put this effort into making a model for some faction or ship that actually needs a replacement, you would have gotten a far better result and response. I dont know why you just cant accept that?

Also, the poll option that you quoted does not include the details that I mentioned in my previous post.

Edit: I cant believe I came back to this thread for the 4th time just to try and explain something I have been trying to explain the first 3 times.

"need to replace"
that's because of my Vidar model. If you want it ingame, that will lead to "onoez it doesnt have anything similar with Asgard or Jorm". Proper solution is, replace whole shipline at once, to make one single style across it. And people who are against it only say it's not what they want, we want something new but with old Asgard textures, and everything that will have brown/green Asgard textures is 50% less "new" automatically.

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[Cond0r]

"need to replace"
that's because of my Vidar model. If you want it ingame, that will lead to "onoez it doesnt have anything similar with Asgard or Jorm".

One would think its easier to texture the Vidar so it has something similar with the Asgard line and the Jorm. Isnt it easier to retexture one ship instead of replacing an entire line that doesnt need to be replaced?

I think it is.

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[17:23:05] Mini Me: pls
[17:23:06] Mini Me: gtfo

[massdriver]

One would think its easier to texture the Vidar so it has something similar with the Asgard line and the Jorm. Isnt it easier to retexture one ship instead of replacing an entire line that doesnt need to be replaced?

I think it is.

Im afraid but I presented Vidar textured with Asgard paint to Blodo sometime ago. It looked too ridiculous 'cos textures lack of details and they differ only in color mostly (your brown/green addiction). And ye it's easier to retexture one ship, but it's not enough in this case.

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[Cond0r]

Im afraid but I presented Vidar textured with Asgard paint to Blodo sometime ago. It looked too ridiculous 'cos textures lack of details and they differ only in color mostly (your brown/green addiction). And ye it's easier to retexture one ship, but it's not enough in this case.

Its not my "brown/green addiction" dude. God I hate brown and green. But those are the colors that represent the Hessians, that represent Rheinland. You cant just go changing that on the fly cuz you dont like those particular two colors.

Also yes, I saw that repainted model and I agree, it didnt look that good either. But surely something else can be done, something that doesnt involve replacing an entire line.

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[17:23:05] Mini Me: pls
[17:23:06] Mini Me: gtfo

[massdriver]

Its not my "brown/green addiction" dude. God I hate brown and green. But those are the colors that represent the Hessians, that represent Rheinland. You cant just go changing that on the fly cuz you dont like those particular two colors.

Also yes, I saw that repainted model and I agree, it didnt look that good either. But surely something else can be done, something that doesnt involve replacing an entire line.

Before any painting started, I made tons of green looking textures using vanilla stuff and finally I made conclussion: 2 color scheme isnt sufficient for a big cruiser. So I made that: black/grey/green mix. I agree that green represent rheinland, but brown no 'cos it was just "added". My models have green tones as well as artificially added black ones. No point in making strict color scheme bounds, it's how all stuff can become looking too identical.

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