I honestly think akumabito is horrid, and is enjoying the chaos and strife he's causing. Id much rather see someone block him that argue with him for 10 pages, derailing a conversation completely...
Akumabito has done nothing productive here, and has distracted others from doing the same. Please block him, and move on.
Independents are multiplying IMHO because the heavy handedness of many established factions. Many factions seem to be "good ole boys clubs" that don little to involve independents into thier RP except for denying them access to some thing.
The heavy handedness makes factions look like bloated overconfident good ole boys clubs, and many only succeed in alienateing others.
I applied to two factions myself, when I arived. I admit the request was not up to par with the requirements I found posted months later when I figured out how to navigate this forum, but from then on I was like "SCREW factions." I wanted to be in one because I could see the inside track to more involved and interesting RP. However that is the past, when i was not accepted due to my failings and lack of "whatever", I just made my own faction.
Now many of my recruits come from independents, new players, and some players from some noted and well known factions. I started but shared faction direction with the membership. Some stuff I do dictate but I try to get feedback from at least a few other members as often as possible.
Any way if I had the magic wand, I'd say. Lets not make joining a faction an act of congress, lets let people be independent "whatevers" and try to include them. Then while RPing with them you may possibly draw them into your world. Not shove them into it, as if you were forceing thier head underwater. The harder you push the harder they will push back. Let them fall into you.
Additionally the more time spent on forums running our fingers, the less time we are representing our factions, proper behavior, and not reenforceing the collective "world"
Hope I didnt step on any toes too hard. But some need just a little squishing.
I'd like to give credit to the first to help me integrate in order of contact, I learned something different from each. Adrock (he brought me here), 13CentKiller(after he killed me, showed me with one of his past mistakes what I did wrong. It was an eye opener. I wonder how old he is, I suspect young but if so the young dog taught this old one some new tricks), Mwerte(after he killed me, general guidence here and there, and showed me the first faction tagged player to attempt to include me, thank you), Malacalpyse666 (after I killed many of his followers and had been killed. He included me heavily. We had our show downs but, I'll not take his credit away.)
Independence are welcome to bombard me with questions about my faction. i am always recruiting. You need to know how to role play and you dont need a novel to join. Just have forum presence, and a cool team player head.
Akumabito, I have agreed with many (not all) of your statements; however, I think many of your points are lost in the venom you lace it with. Try honey. I had a very similar problem when I got here. Everything out of my fingers was burning at first. I wish I could show you my burning early threads. i attacked the ROS on the forums all wrong. Now if I ever have a problem with them, I'll PM Lothiren.
I learned this in the service as well and it applies to everyone while handleing problems with anyone.
Praise in public, Punish in private. The oppisite only builds visable loyalty (cant be trusted when not watched), and former players.
Reading through this and many other posts that argue the faction/indies thing makes me shake my head in disbelief.
Half of you are on the same team without realizing it! the fight is not between faction and Indie. It's betwen RP and OORP.
Consider this:
1) this is not a faction server. - It's an RP Server.
2) this is not an Indie server - It's an RP Server.
3) this is not a PvP server - It's an RP Server.
Factions AND Indies who RP according to the RP Server Guidlines - YUS!
Factions or Indies who ignore the RP Server Guidlines -PHAILZ.
Myself and many other players with Indie Characters never have any problems with Factions or any other Indies... why is this?
Becuase we respect the RP guidelines of the server. Simple.
We aree all guests here, this can safely be considered as the house of Igiss. Follow the rules of the house and respectfully make suggestions if you desire change.
Put your feet up in my house wether you are Indy or faction and I will throw u a beating!
My Point?
Indy/Faction - Both different ways of experiencing RP and the community.
OOC - Disregard for the RP Server community and guidelines. - Ban your ass after a nice flaming.
Is this community on it's way down? Hell no! We have Praetyre and Scornstar here to keep us all IC:)
' Wrote:this is not a faction server. - It's an RP Server.
Myself and many other players with Indie Characters never have any problems with Factions or any other Indies... why is this?
Becuase we respect the RP guidelines of the server. Simple.
We aree all guests here, this can safely be considered as the house of Igiss. Follow the rules of the house and respectfully make suggestions if you desire change.
Indy/Faction - Both different ways of experiencing RP and the community.
Err. What? Come to Alpha or Rheinland.
No idea. Perhaps my RP is not good enough.
Following the rules of Igiss is not enough. Factions have rules too. Not following them will get you PVP/cap-whored.
It seems too many people are forgetting this. We might not have had threads saying directly indies are the end of this server, but we've had paraphrases of "remember back in the day when there was 1% indy and OORP didn't exist" and "we're afraid the server is changing because of the new indy influx" threads.
So what about my idea of unilaterally named factions loosening their recruitment, having very open recruitment similar to factions such as QCRF and RoS, but enforcing strict RP on their members?
If RM allowed anyone to join, they might not be accused of domineering the RP so much.
Same goes for similar factions.
So what about my idea of unilaterally named factions loosening their recruitment, having very open recruitment similar to factions such as QCRF and RoS, but enforcing strict RP on their members?
If RM allowed anyone to join, they might not be accused of domineering the RP so much.
Please do. Make a Hessian/LWB/Unioner/Bundschuh and see what happens. In fact, make an RFP/RM as well. See, you guys are exaggerating this so far, it actually makes my head hurt. As someone who has his main character in Rheinland, I have to tell you I have been flying with swarms of untagged players so many times, it is impossible to count it. Hell, we fly around with Varyag all the time and he posts in our message dump as well.
I seen RM accepting and flying with untagged military and police without question, but simply urging them to apply for their faction later on so they get the tag and get organised. I know of a few examples of untagged military players in Wraths, who later joined RM and no doubt there is more.
Seriously nooblet, I see you as a reasonable fellow. Conduct your research before you throw a ridiculous claim like this. And this goes to all of you who cry "fascism" when you emerge with your Rheinland Battleship and the RM dares ask you for your RP.
I spend most of my FL time in Alpha and its surrounding areas as an independent Outcast and I've had no problems. Well, other than my inability to finish off those cowardly Corsairs. :laugh: I've been in groups with BLS, RoS, and SOB, maybe the 101st as well (but they're not often around when I am), I post in the 101st message dump, and no one ever complains about my RP.
Of course, my choice of ship is a Scimitar, so maybe the fact that I'm not the captain of an overrated flying bullseye has something to do with it.
' Wrote:Please do. Make a Hessian/LWB/Unioner/Bundschuh and see what happens. In fact, make an RFP/RM as well. See, you guys are exaggerating this so far, it actually makes my head hurt. As someone who has his main character in Rheinland, I have to tell you I have been flying with swarms of untagged players so many times, it is impossible to count it. Hell, we fly around with Varyag all the time and he posts in our message dump as well.
I seen RM accepting and flying with untagged military and police without question, but simply urging them to apply for their faction later on so they get the tag and get organised. I know of a few examples of untagged military players in Wraths, who later joined RM and no doubt there is more.
Seriously nooblet, I see you as a reasonable fellow. Conduct your research before you throw a ridiculous claim like this. And this goes to all of you who cry "fascism" when you emerge with your Rheinland Battleship and the RM dares ask you for your RP.
If I launch with a Rheinland BS I doubt I would get "//where's your RP for that ship" or it's in-RP equivalent. I'd get SN's flying at me. Why? It would not be asked, the [RM] has meta-gamed to the point where they have a Gottkanzler. Nobody is in the military without your permission, therefore anyone not in your faction should be killed. This is the part which detracts from Rheinland's lovely nature.
' Wrote:What character of yours goes to Alpha?
I spend most of my FL time in Alpha and its surrounding areas as an independent Outcast and I've had no problems. Well, other than my inability to finish off those cowardly Corsairs. :laugh: I've been in groups with BLS, RoS, and SOB, maybe the 101st as well (but they're not often around when I am), I post in the 101st message dump, and no one ever complains about my RP.
Of course, my choice of ship is a Scimitar, so maybe the fact that I'm not the captain of an overrated flying bullseye has something to do with it.
Apologies. I find this statement will be one I note down.:lol:
So have I, except for the message dump.
My choice of ship is different. Your quite welcome to imagine the bulls-eye painted on it as other's imagination's have had much more dire consequences on my RP.