Is it just me... (Order FR5)

[Sol]

How can morale be lowered by an increase in the number of targets available to a faction though?

They have gentle natures.

[Lythrilux]

How can morale be lowered by an increase in the number of targets available to a faction though?

Idk about indies, but perhaps Order| doesn't really want to shoot Zoners themselves? I know they want to try and revert it.

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[Black Widow]

Is it just me, but since the FR5 to the Order faction as a whole to Zoners has there been less order activity in the Omicrons?

Freeport 11 was a really good place for ships of all factions to base out of to come together for pew. The NFZ was removed because the fights were fun and it was in the interest of all the factions there to make the chance of detrimental FR5s as little as possible.

Since the FR5 however Order ships can no longer base out of Delta and their nearest base is in Zeta, which is quite far away from the usual hotspots of activity in the Omicrons.

I feel like the FR5 should be undone for the sake of activity, as FR5s like this are detrimental to server gameplay.

Quite simply you cannot undo forum rp for the sake of activity that is stupid since what is the point then in having a situation of ingame RP consequences for actions carried out?

Order act hostile to Zoners then they can expect to loose their neutral stance with them and have the Zoners keep them off their stations. Its -Cause-and-Effect- without it this mod would be unreal and pointless to play.

The mod is based around RP and all RP should have consequences for actions else we would be no different to those lolvanilla servers that just fly for pewpewpew.

If Order being repped hostile to Zoners has had a detrimental effect on the Order Player Population then it is up to the Order High Command and those who initiated this RP to seek a RP Resolution and if they dont well then they only have themselves to blame.

I can quite easily think of one resolution, Order fuels supplies dry up GMG are too far away to supply them. Order HC crumbles and in the face of obliteration from not being able to fuel their ships. Are forced to overthrow their current leaders who have initiated this hostile RP toward zoners. Then seek to mend bridges with the Zoners by calling a truce with them.

The truce could be subject to conditions blablabla which will result in the Zoners having even more power since they can easily turn the fuel taps off to Order Ships and watch them crumble. But at least Order will regain vital fuel supplies that the zoners supply.

Quite simply: "You dont bite the hand that feeds you", because you will go hungry very quickly.

This is Cause and Effect RP 101, there is always a solution to the problem. But the only question is, will the egotistical order leaders do a U-Turn in their Hostile RP toward Zoners and admit defeat or continue unto Futility.

[Jack_Henderson]

I don't really agree with the Order-Zoner rephack, as somehow it feels as if spheres had been mixed that should not be mixed: sanction and irp consequences. The mixing makes the irp development somehow feel stale and weird.

I think it would have been a better chance to give warnings to the involved factions to remain inside the given scope of roleplay and lore or return to it, combined with an announcement what would happen if they did not react to the advice.

Just retconning it now because of "detrimental effects" is not an option.
Now that the situation is there, the players should sit together and figure out a solution with which both sides can live. In this case, it is fairly easy to see how that could work, as there doesn't seem to be any euphoria about the FR5 on either side of the fence.

Perhaps... as heretic as it sounds... it could be a solution for once not to regard anything that is not portrayed as "super-strong!" as breakfast for the factions that depict themselves as "stronger than you", but as an important part of a fragile system of cooperation that has been in existence for hundreds of years for a reason. Basing roleplay on that general concept might lead to a way to co-exist without clashing all the time on various levels.

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[Lythrilux]

Quite simply you cannot undo forum rp for the sake of activity that is stupid since what is the point then in having a situation of ingame RP consequences for actions carried out?

The mod is based around RP and all RP should have consequences for actions else we would be no different to those lolvanilla servers that just fly for pewpewpew.

When inRP consequences start to cause an ooRP negative effect, that's the point where questions need to be raised and we need to wonder if it's truly healthy or not. It's even worse that this is effecting both the official and indie faction.

Order act hostile to Zoners then they can expect to loose their neutral stance with them and have the Zoners keep them off their stations. Its -Cause-and-Effect- without it this mod would be unreal and pointless to play.

Personally, I feel Order 'hostility' to Zoners is a generalization. Zoners themselves are a generic faction, you can't be hostile to every Zoner unless you specifically state within your factions agenda that you want to wipe them out.

If Order being repped hostile to Zoners has had a detrimental effect on the Order Player Population then it is up to the Order High Command and those who initiated this RP to seek a RP Resolution and if they dont well then they only have themselves to blame.

Order is an example of why Zoner FR5s neither make sense or are constructive. They wield negative ooRP effects. Hostility at least should be much more specific, as described by moebeus with his suggestion.

I can quite easily think of one resolution, Order fuels supplies dry up GMG are too far away to supply them. Order HC crumbles and in the face of obliteration from not being able to fuel their ships. Are forced to overthrow their current leaders who have initiated this hostile RP toward zoners. Then seek to mend bridges with the Zoners by calling a truce with them.

That doesn't really make sense.

The truce could be subject to conditions blablabla which will result in the Zoners having even more power since they can easily turn the fuel taps off to Order Ships and watch them crumble. But at least Order will regain vital fuel supplies that the zoners supply.

Quite simply: "You dont bite the hand that feeds you", because you will go hungry very quickly.

Zoners have never really been a vital supplier to the Order, since they've been able to source supplies elsewhere. It wouldn't really make sense for Zoners to ever be more powerful than the Order in that regard.

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[Sol]

Perhaps... as heretic as it sounds... it could be a solution for once not to regard anything that is not portrayed as "super-strong!" as breakfast for the factions that depict themselves as "stronger than you", but as an important part of a fragile system of cooperation that has been in existence for hundreds of years for a reason. Basing roleplay on that general concept might lead to a way to co-exist without clashing all the time on various levels.

Clap clap. It should be like that, and it is not heretic. The current outlook is quite childish.

[Fluffyball]

Zoners cannot be removed, as they are vanilia faction, so they are one of the most fundamental factions in the game. However, Zoners are masters of being "unaligned" and they do not have any enemies, except for some hostilities from Xenos and The Order.

In my opinion, Zoners should be inRP abused by major factions, threating them like a vermin, who doesn't want to assimilate with anyone. They are, pardron for real life comparison, Space Gypsies.

They should be abused even more, because we all know that first infectee was Zoner.

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[Lythrilux]

Zoners cannot be removed, as they are vanilia faction, so they are one of the most fundamental factions in the game

That's actually very debatable. They were only meant to add ambiance and act as extra NPCs in vanilla.

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[Fluffyball]

Zoners cannot be removed, as they are vanilia faction, so they are one of the most fundamental factions in the game

That's actually very debatable. They were only meant to add ambiance and act as extra NPCs in vanilla.

I like Zoners, they are more like... well... real outcasts, who do not want to live in the colonies. So, why not to give houses an option to opress them? They serve no one, yet they are good for nothing. Sure, they can be source of obtaining several goods, but they also help criminals and terrorists.

This alone should be a reason of instant dislike from all the houses. We need ways to opress Zoners (in borders of course).

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[Black Widow]

Quite simply you cannot undo forum rp for the sake of activity that is stupid since what is the point then in having a situation of ingame RP consequences for actions carried out?

The mod is based around RP and all RP should have consequences for actions else we would be no different to those lolvanilla servers that just fly for pewpewpew.

When inRP consequences start to cause an ooRP negative effect, that's the point where questions need to be raised and we need to wonder if it's truly healthy or not. It's even worse that this is effecting both the official and indie faction.

Order act hostile to Zoners then they can expect to loose their neutral stance with them and have the Zoners keep them off their stations. Its -Cause-and-Effect- without it this mod would be unreal and pointless to play.

Personally, I feel Order 'hostility' to Zoners is a generalization. Zoners themselves are a generic faction, you can't be hostile to every Zoner unless you specifically state within your factions agenda that you want to wipe them out.

If Order being repped hostile to Zoners has had a detrimental effect on the Order Player Population then it is up to the Order High Command and those who initiated this RP to seek a RP Resolution and if they dont well then they only have themselves to blame.

Order is an example of why Zoner FR5s neither make sense or are constructive. They wield negative ooRP effects. Hostility at least should be much more specific, as described by moebeus with his suggestion.

I can quite easily think of one resolution, Order fuels supplies dry up GMG are too far away to supply them. Order HC crumbles and in the face of obliteration from not being able to fuel their ships. Are forced to overthrow their current leaders who have initiated this hostile RP toward zoners. Then seek to mend bridges with the Zoners by calling a truce with them.

That doesn't really make sense.

The truce could be subject to conditions blablabla which will result in the Zoners having even more power since they can easily turn the fuel taps off to Order Ships and watch them crumble. But at least Order will regain vital fuel supplies that the zoners supply.

Quite simply: "You dont bite the hand that feeds you", because you will go hungry very quickly.

Zoners have never really been a vital supplier to the Order, since they've been able to source supplies elsewhere. It wouldn't really make sense for Zoners to ever be more powerful than the Order in that regard.

Why are the order weak now ooRP? Because they cant dock on FP11, oh thats a byproduct of Order being repped hostile to Zoner inRP.

Thus to fix the problem in needs to be handled inRP, not undo Order Zoner Hostile coz now Order not logging anymore thats dumb.

If this current situation is affecting order player population ooRP then it is the responsibility of the Order HC to fix it. You cannot have your cake and eat it.

You cannot bit** zoners around because some are engaging in nomad technologies / making cloaks declare yourself almighty order gods and expect zoners to bend over?

Order get their fuel from Zoners and no where else, they maybe allies with the GMG but the GMG are too far away from the Order to supply them fuel thus the only real alternative is the Zoners.

Zoners supply Order fuel, Order burns said fuel in their ships. No Zoners No Fuel = Dead Order. Zoners thus have more power than the order if they choose not to supply them fuel which is the case here since Order can no longer dock on Zoner bases.

Order have to think before they act and not continue as if there are no consequences for their hostile actions, coz this a consequence.

inRP sanctions affecting ooRP behaviour of Order Players.

Order must concede to the Zoners and call for a truce, then they can have their precious FP11 launching site for pewpew.