' Wrote:You're right. I can count several occasions where I have chased rogues to Alcatraz or Buffalo, and then been complained at for camping bases. Maybe narcotic was right. Maybe I should bring this up in the LR feedback thread.
Maybe you should, gives us two threads to rip each others throats out. Or maybe... just maybe Joe, you could enlighten your pilots that when a Rogue disappears into an asteroid, you've effectively lost him, and then turn around and move on instead of sitting, waiting like you do. Just a thought Joe, take it or leave it.
' Wrote:But honestly, why would I bother? It's a matter of perception, like I said. I perceive things differently to you. You are not possessed of all the facts. I am not either, in this case (although, hilariously, I have been in the majority of other incidents which you've cried about).
Why would you bother? You don't. Simple. That's why I'm "crying" here today. You simply don't care what happens on the other side of the fence, so long you're sitting high up on your white horse. So I'm a cry a little more, kay? k.
' Wrote:I see worthless screenshots proving nothing. I know the history, and I know where my opinion (based on my experience) stands. Why do you think you can change my opinion without bringing something new to the table?
Your opinion is one based on self worth. My opinion is based on fair play for my members. Your experience works around 'what I say goes'. It's how it always is with your leadership who vehemently follow your rule.
You won't bring anything new to the table because you think your opinion solely counts.
Joe; LN hunts LR- down. End of. Thats ok, thats what they do.
Facts or not in this thread, Base camping, hunting LR- down with massive ships for one fighter... Short story is, That is what's happening. We will just have to get the Rogues to screenshot it.
Granted, they is a slight improvement, and it might or might not be intentional - but I hardly play at the moment and I have undocked from bases to find LN around and it isn't fun. Especially when it's a game to be enjoyed.
As you said Joe, Repetition does not make you right.
That goes both ways.
' Wrote:Maybe you should, gives us two threads to rip each others throats out. Or maybe... just maybe Joe, you could enlighten your pilots that when a Rogue disappears into an asteroid, you've effectively lost him, and then turn around and move on instead of sitting, waiting like you do. Just a thought Joe, take it or leave it.
I have never seen any [LN] pilot hang around at rogue bases. I have also never had a rogue say anything other than the following:
"Oh I undocked and found an [LN] ship. Musta been camping."
Which is meaningless when you consider it completely lacks in context and proof which would be required before I act on anything I consider to be wrong.
Alte. You'll find that my tone has been rather civil. I'm not ripping your throat out, I'm simply standing my ground.
My opinion is based upon what I have seen.
I have seen/been handed proof of the following:
- Rogues running to a base and docking/dying.
- Another rogue undocking immediately and complaining at me for camping bases.
I have not seen/been handed proof of the following:
- [LN] members camping rogue bases.
How is that based on self worth? That's based simply on the experiences I have had.
The rest of your post seems to be rather bitter and anger-fueled. I don't think me responding to all the stuff about high horses or a percieved dictatorial nature will really do you any favours, nor is it relevant to anything we're actually talking about. Infact, what is part of your post designed to do? get some sort of a rise from me? I'm really just rather confused as to your intent.
' Wrote:Joe; LN hunts LR- down. End of.
I would be concerned if they didn't. Hunting down pirates is something that the Navy traditionally does. It's why we patrol within Liberty.
That said, frankly, I don't see this progressing anywhere until someone hands me proof of an [LN] member camping a rogue base. I really doubt that'll ever be forthcoming.
I'm gonna stop here, because frankly, I need sleep more than I need to exchange words in a stationary disagreement.
' Wrote:I have seen/been handed proof of the following:
- Rogues running to a base and docking/dying. Another rogue undocking immediately and complaining at me for camping bases.
Proof Bro Proof. Show sum!
' Wrote:I would be concerned if they didn't. Hunting down pirates is something that the Navy traditionally does.
No sir your wrong that why the police are there they are the ones who DEAL WITH the "pirates" US. Navy YOU deal with other pressing matter. Like oh I don't know Rheinland Military.
Good day sir I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!
I don't regard it as an issue important enough to bring to the Liberty Rogue feedback thread, because I can see why it happens. I can't expect the undocking rogue to know the full situation, therefore I don't hold his judgement against him. It doesn't annoy me enough to have an effect on my day. I simply accept it as being in keeping with the nature of people only being able to act upon that which they see.
Fine. I'm cool with that.
The issue is people are currently asking me to act on something which I have never seen, nor has anyone given me the required evidence.
' Wrote:I have never seen any [LN] pilot hang around at rogue bases. I have also never had a rogue say anything other than the following:
"Oh I undocked and found an [LN] ship. Musta been camping."
Alright, seeing as you've chosen to ignore every other incident we've attempted to bring to your factions leadership attention.
' Wrote:Which is meaningless when you consider it completely lacks in context and proof which would be required before I act on anything I consider to be wrong.
Acting? So you mean to say it's a huge effort to mention to your pilots that when a Rogue disappears into an asteroid, that pursuing pilots should understand that they've lost the target and not linger around waiting for someone to show up. Again, check the evidence we have shown. Don't shuffle it under the carpet like it appears you do.
' Wrote:Alte. You'll find that my tone has been rather civil. I'm not ripping your throat out, I'm simply standing my ground.
Civil? I know you wanted me permabanned. Do you feel threatened Joe? You'll notice that I am uncharactiscally not swearing, cursing, or down right being derogative of you. it could be worse but we know that's the ammo you're looking for.
' Wrote:My opinion is based upon what I have seen.
I have seen/been handed proof of the following:
- Rogues running to a base and docking/dying.
- Another rogue undocking immediately and complaining at me for camping bases.
' Wrote:Proof Bro Proof. Show sum!
' Wrote:I have not seen/been handed proof of the following:
- [LN] members camping rogue bases.
How is that based on self worth? That's based simply on the experiences I have had.
Sorry, that is my opinion of your methods. In my experience with you, if something is going your way, you power play. Just saying....
' Wrote:The rest of your post seems to be rather bitter and anger-fueled. I don't think me responding to all the stuff about high horses or dictatorial stuff will really do you any favours, nor is it relevant to anything we're actually talking about.
It has everything to do with it, as it's you that choose to overlook what we are trying to bring to the table.
' Wrote:Infact, what is part of your post designed to do? get some sort of a rise from me? I'm really just rather confused as to your intent.
Alright, guilty. But on the same token, you're doing the same. Just waiting for that moment I slip up and give you a chance to kick me off.... I'm a make it damned hard for you though.
On that note, back to the topic at hand. My displeasure for your actions don't belong here.
Where did this perception come from? I mean, it's so far from the truth is actually hurts my mind a bit... But regardless of that.
I don't personally dislike you. I disagree with you about a lot of things, but I don't dislike you. Why would I want you permabanned?
This is looking less and less like it has anything to do with the actions of my faction, and more and more to do with what-you-think-I-think-about-you.