I have only personal reasons to hate them. It mostly comes from the fact the only time I see them a fight comes with no more than 3 words. Their technologies overpowering the normal ones, it's also hard to write while he's pewpewing me.
I got even the report of few of my mates being engaged just at the moment one of the "terrorist" logged on, without a word.
Bad experiences make them hated also the jealousy.
I'm not jealous myself, I was in the Keepers and I have no regrets leaving it, I lost all interest into the nomads. The phantoms are the only experience I'd like to try and I didn't worked on actually.
On the other side of the story, having multiple battleships after your fighter is all but enjoyable and actually, I don't need a nomad for that, a xenos is fair enough to be ganked.
Notice the fact that only the SCRA has an active and lively message dump. The rest are rarely used espcially the Keeper one. Exclude the fact that these factions can PvP at will, they also aren't required to keep active message dumps like all other official factions.
What this means? Their RP isn't visible to the average player. The problem? Player A has no idea why Nomad C killed him; other than because Nomad C's ID allows it. Nomad C didn't bother to clue him in, nor did Nomad C make a post on the forum.
Its really simply, these factions are suppose to be the elite RPers on the server yet the average player doesn't see their RP on the forum and they don't always get RP from them in game. Meaning they don't have a good picture of how these people RP. Which in turn makes them feel like they were killed by someone getting their jollies off killing people while hiding behind an ID.
So, look at it from an outsiders/noobs perspective:
You have IDs that allow you to PvP at will with little to no RP.
You aren't required to actively forum RP like the rest of us.
Your factions are closed (honestly a good thing though).
See how it is easily assumed these groups are simply here to fill the need of a select fews PvP urges? Address these issues, make your RP more visible to the average player.
Give me one good reason...and it needs to be a good one, WHY the Aoi, Keepers and Wilde would NEED a message dump?
The message dumps are in the RP section. They're RP. The RP of all the squishies is that they're all part of a Mindshare...aka they already know what happened.
Message Dumps are used mainly for lower ranking members of the factions they are involved in to let their superiors know of their activities. It's also a way for their High Commands to get orders out to their subordinates, and to see that those orders are carried out.
Mindshare takes care of ALL of this for Wilde/Keepers/Aoi, and then some, inRP.
I do agree, however, that the Phantoms should use their message dumps more often. Akura is doing a good job of it, but the rest of yous should throw down a report every once in a while. I've seen the Torquemada out fairly recently, as well as several of the more notorious Phantoms, but the last several Phantom dump posts are from Akura, and Zapp (I'm not counting the nonsense from the less-than-stellar request for the Phantom ID and subsequent mockery). Phantoms have a hierarchy, and should show it.
' Wrote:Give me one good reason...and it needs to be a good one, WHY the Aoi, Keepers and Wilde would NEED a message dump?
I guess you missed the entire point of my post. Try to reread it, you'll find a good reason they need one within it.
' Wrote:The message dumps are in the RP section. They're RP. The RP of all the squishies is that they're all part of a Mindshare...aka they already know what happened.
So you saying that every Keeper/Wilde/Aos players knows of every kill and or interaction that every other Keeper/Wilde/Aos player has done on this server? I highly, highly doubt that. Keepers could use thier message dump, which is aptly named Mindshare to share their information on their encounters and such. That way, they are all aware of each others work, as they should inRP. Average joe would be able to see their RP and understand it, instead of only being aware that they can kill him with little to no RP.
So you want a good reason?
-So their RP is visible instead of us assuming they are actually RP'n and not PvPwhoring it up while hiding behind an ID and some weak RP excuse.
-So each and every member of said faction is aware of what the others are doing, because that is part of the RP behind the faction.
Both damn good reasons.
Edit: This isn't going to fix all the lolflamefest towards these groups. You will still have haters, this will simply help your average joe that actually RPs and isn't afraid to lose a credit for an RP purpose.
I think the Nomad Factions use their own Forums for that. Just as the Harvesters do. Skype is also possible. Exile told me that they even use their own Language to talk to each other. So Falconer is kind of right. Their Roleplay or that what happened shouldnt be visible anyway, or can you read the Nomad's Mind?
' Wrote:I request a lock. This is going too far.
Not your Topic, no Reason to lock it too. If you are offended in any way, then please stay out of this Topic.
"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"
' Wrote:I guess you missed the entire point of my post. Try to reread it, you'll find a good reason they need one within it.
I did read it. I did understand it. You did not understand me.
' Wrote:So you saying that every Keeper/Wilde/Aos players knows of every kill and or interaction that every other Keeper/Wilde/Aos player has done on this server? I highly, highly doubt that. Keepers could use thier message dump, which is aptly named Mindshare to share their information on their encounters and such. That way, they are all aware of each others work, as they should inRP. Average joe would be able to see their RP and understand it, instead of only being aware that they can kill him with little to no RP.
You have grossly mistaken what the difference between an inRP argument is and a playerbase argument is. I will help you.
Yes. I am saying exactly that EVERY squishy knows about EVERYkill or interaction done by EVERY other squishy. inRP. That's in roleplay. InRP, the Mindshare would act as a conduit, a hive mind, between every other squishy, so that those in Chester know when someone is poking around in Omega 58, or that the Aoi at Tekagi's arch knows when some Order dude is snooping in Iota. InRP, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying.
' Wrote:Now, playerbase does NOT know this. And rightfully so. I'm sure the all the squishy players have access to a secret forum somewhere where they share their (mis)adventures with each other, leaving the poor hapless public (Disco forum playerbase) out of the loop. Kind of like how the Mindshare would work.
So you want a good reason?
-So their RP is visible instead of us assuming they are actually RP'n and not PvPwhoring it up while hiding behind an ID and some weak RP excuse.
-So each and every member of said faction is aware of what the others are doing, because that is part of the RP behind the faction.
Both damn good reasons.
Their RP is visible to them. They are connected to each other with the Mindshare inRP, and with private means playerbase-wise. - invalid arguments on both counts.
' Wrote:So...again, you're saying that if you were to randomly pick a Phantom player, well let's just say for kicks that you land on me when randomly picking.
So you're saying that I would put forth halfassed roleplay that would eventually and inevitably end in me killing you?
Gonna have to agree with Sovereign here, AJ.
That's a really nice vote of confidence you have for people in Discovery who are constantly Roleplaying -everywhere- that they get the chance to.
You know, that's really great. Truly, it makes me feel awesome.
Statistics, my dear, statistics. I have yet to meet you in your phantom so I can't judge you directly but from previous experiences, I calculate that it is more likely that you will spew out 2 lines of dialog and blow me up than provide a meaningful RP encounter.
Feel hurt? Blame everyone else.
' Wrote:I get so tired of AJ constantly going on and on and on and on with this subject that I'm just going to ignore what he's saying completely.
Love you too.
Love you to the point that I will not use the joke I had to counter that sentence.
' Wrote:I'm not evil despite what AJ says. In fact I'm a rather nice guy, I'm married, have a three year old daughter, and really enjoy playing this game. Some people do nothing but try and ruin that for me because I have a Phantom. I don't let it get to me, I just continue to enjoy Freelancer and Discovery. And I promise you, I want you to enjoy it too, all of you. I will never do anything in game to intentionally ruin your experience. Try just talking to special RP characters, because despite what you say, I know most of you that are complaining don't. I think if you just try it, you might just be pleasantly surprised.
I doubt you are evil, nor are most people that play Phantoms. The problem with the Phantoms is one that I already mentioned thousands of times. Their roleplay was built in a way that the only thing they can do is PvP whoring. They do not need to talk, they are shrouded in secrecy, no one knows anything about them. All the regular person (in-character) knows is that they kill people.
' Wrote:I did read it. I did understand it. You did not understand me.
You have grossly mistaken what the difference between an inRP argument is and a playerbase argument is. I will help you.
Yes. I am saying exactly that EVERY squishy knows about EVERYkill or interaction done by EVERY other squishy. inRP. That's in roleplay. InRP, the Mindshare would act as a conduit, a hive mind, between every other squishy, so that those in Chester know when someone is poking around in Omega 58, or that the Aoi at Tekagi's arch knows when some Order dude is snooping in Iota. InRP, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying.
Their RP is visible to them. They are connected to each other with the Mindshare inRP, and with private means playerbase-wise. - invalid arguments on both counts.
sorry.
I think the point Kuthumii is trying to make is that those factions should make their RP public. Which I agree on. No one writes special RP requests in private forums, now do they?
Quote:I think the point Kuthumii is trying to make is that those factions should make their RP public. Which I agree on. No one writes special RP requests in private forums, now do they?
No, and none of the squishy factions need Special RolePlay to act within their IDs either. If an SRP is requested, then yes, there needs to be some forum RP to back it up.
Having an ID made for your "exclusive" faction is something that has been worked for longer than most of the active players here have been around. Yuri's been working on the Keepers since at LEAST 4.83 (when I came around), SCRA for 5 years (ish), Wilde, CR, all of whom have volumes of RP on the forums already.
Putting such up on the forums is NOT going to stop you from getting flamed by less-than-stellar people, it's not even going to put a dent in it. QCP, which is not an exclusive ID, get this all the time, even with the volumes (and volumes and volumes) of explanation threads on the forums, along with RP'd encounters ingame. We're still villainized as less-than-stellar people.
Same with Phantoms. Same with Keepers. Same with Wilde. Same with Aoi (to a lesser extent, they're newish) All have enough information scattered around in-game, on forums, and ooRP player to player, if you're willing to look.
Some just aren't, and spout off at the keyboard instead.
I think AoI arent fighting much as Wilde or Keepers. Don't know if that is true. That'd be probably a Reason why they aren't getting burned by Members.
"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"
![[Image: signature2b.png]](http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2982/signature2b.png)
![[Image: Newgoldensigfinishawesomecoolcolours.png]](http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx328/schlurbii/Signatures/Newgoldensigfinishawesomecoolcolours.png)
