sorry teschy, but when all and i mean all know, that in rp is not possible to buy base in theta, and someone is still saying that his GROUP OF ANGRY CIVILIANS can make, and hold it, against biggest unlwafull faction in sirius, then i will repeat it much more times ....
or you will corsairs screaming how they are building bases in new london, cambridge and leeds? and of course, the bases will be well hidden ...
you know that it is impossible idea ....
and i stop repeating myself, when someone here explain me difference between PvP clan that will look only for fights, and this faction proposal ...
Are you serious when you say that you do not think that the Corsairs can mount an invasion of Bretonia?
You seriously believe that after we tried and failed against Rheinland?
It doesn't matter that we were not victorious, the Corsairs are powerful enough to mount an invasion as is proved by both the ingame lore (Road to Rheinland parts 1-3) AND player interactions.
And the Corsairs have the organisation prowess of a banana?
I am sorry, but you speak from the position of reading and knowing what goes on in the Corsair council of Elders, information which nobody outside the Corsairs and relevant other parties knows.
Regarding the skillfulness of Corsair players, that is no way to base an arguement for the existance of a faction such as this. So what you can kick ass and take names when faced with most of the Corsair player populace? What exactly does that mean? It means that you havent met anyone better than you yet. Yet is the key word, since there is always someone better.
Not to mention that the actions ingame have no bearing on the actual roleplay of the NPC faction. Of course, there are powers inside vying for power within the Corsairs, but we do not show it to anybody outside. Even if we did, what is a motly crew of a few hundred pilots and soldiers going to do? Cadiz and Leon alone have sizable fleets of warships assigned to them. In RP, Corsair pilots are among the most skilled in the sector, having fought for their entire lives since they ascended to become adults. Outcasts are even more skilled, but the Corsairs are on average, more skilled than a lot of other criminal, and even some parts of professional military organisations.
Again, in RP, the Wilde have a significant presence in Omega 5. Both the Hessians and the Corsairs on Ronneburg and Cadiz respectively are on the defensive. This is not represented by the ingame actions of the wilde, which are tame, but so what? Can either of us say that we're pushing the wilde back into Omega 55 and laying seige to their bases there? I don't think so...
From what I see, some of the arguements for this faction's existance are:
You kick ass at PvP.
We're a disorganised lot who can't stand up against a house.
We cannot secure our own supply lines.
The majority of our pilots are idiots at the joystick.
Heavy warships cannot operate in asteroid fields.
Zoners will allow a base in Omicron Theta.
You will actually have the manpower to stand up against an entire civilisation.
I can think of a valid counter to every single one. This begs the question:
Actually, many things are possible in roleplay. However, you have ignored the fact that the supposedly base in Theta was only an advanced step of the entire Order operation, therefore not going to happen anytime soon. Also, it strikes me that many say Bretonia is stupid to fight on two fronts. Well, have you know, the Corsairs are actually surrounded by enemies, therefore having all their borders as war fronts, fighting either the Outcasts, Hessians or Mollys. Why haven't they steam-rolled all those factions, if you say they can amass such a great force for just an enemy outpost? It's not realistic, and pirates are pirates nonetheless.
And no, we are not just a 'group of angry civilians', unless you haven't properly read the original post.
' Wrote:Actually, many things are possible in roleplay. However, you have ignored the fact that the supposedly base in Theta was only an advanced step of the entire Order operation, therefore not going to happen anytime soon. Also, it strikes me that many say Bretonia is stupid to fight on two fronts. Well, have you know, the Corsairs are actually surrounded by enemies, therefore having all their borders as war fronts, fighting either the Outcasts, Hessians or Mollys. Why haven't they steam-rolled all those factions, if you say they can amass such a great force for just an enemy outpost? It's not realistic, and pirates are pirates nonetheless.
And no, we are not just a 'group of angry civilians', unless you haven't properly read the original post.
The Corsairs are not actually "loosing" on any of their fronts. Bretonia is loosing big time right now on the one front they are fighting. So no, Bretonia can't handle any more enemies right now. The Corsairs are in much better shape than the Bretonians.
The Corsairs fight off raids, yes. The Bretonians are loosing territory and have already lost most of their navy. Big difference there.
Pardon me, but since when is Bretonia neutral to the Corsairs? Do you really think that they will let pirates to plunder what's left of an already broken state, as you claim it to be?
No, and that's why the Order operates where the BAF doesn't. To protect what's been neglected by them, purely because of the war against Kusari.
' Wrote:Pardon me, but since when is Bretonia neutral to the Corsairs? Do you really think that they will let pirates to plunder what's left of an already broken state, as you claim it to be?
No, and that's why the Order operates where the BAF doesn't. To protect what's been neglected by them, purely because of the war against Kusari.
teschy, now explain me this: will be bretonia use group of angry citizens against their home pirates MOLLIES???? and against enemies in their home KUSARI or they will send them to a self kill missions somewhere far far away, where they die and make one of the strongest enemy that bretonia can have more angry ?????
or you will say me, taht citizens will go in few old ships against thousands of pirate warships (in rp)
somewhere god knows where, while mollies can pirate in front of their houses because military has troubles with kusari and citizens are gone ?????
i am starting thinking about pact between corsairs and hessians, to make massive assault on bretonia, from one side, from other side kusari naval forces, theny can queen say thanks., to your order, because it end with bretonia deleted from map of sirius.... happy ?
1) Corsairs are losing in the Omegas to the Red Hessians.
2) Corsairs are already attacking Bretonia with what they can.
No way a small group of Bretonians can cause any consequences in the form of Corsair repercussions. Unless Corsairs want to sacrifice one of their other fronts. Also, Bretonia won't "use" them, they chose their way.
In case people didn't grasp my attempt at a role-play response to this, I don't think it's unreasonable for a handful of arrogant, upper-class Brets to actively seek to pursue a quasi-religious vendetta against the organisation that has been such a thorn in the side of Bretonia and its interests for such a long time. Now I say that as someone who has enjoyed playing in and around Bretonia (In the QCRF when it often felt like I was the only person flying around). Corsairs (characters that is) are a real nuisance for the Bretonians - they pick off traders, they make forays into Camrbidge and New London. But worse than all of this, they are disgusting Hispanic types. They enjoy Mediterranean cuisine. They call each other "hermano". They lack the social graces.
If it weren't for the Corsairs, Bretonia would be a very, very boring place.
And it was too, for a long time. Despite what you might say or think about Bretonia's other enemies, the truth is that the Corsairs are the most active and largest opponent in terms of playerbase. It's one thing to base assumptions on the "lore" of the game, but there have to be opportunities within the game for imaginative play to encourage player interaction. If the game doesn't already support such a group as this one, then the question is, Is it reasonable to accomodate it?
I personally think this accusation of being a PvP clan is at least a little premature, considering I've only seen one of these ships in-game so far. (A starflier, that was shot up by a loller in NY). But some players necessarily feel uncomfortable about having yet another opponent to carry out attacks against them in their home-world. So do we all. Camping other player's bases, seeking to eliminate as many of them as possible - is a realistic concern, as it has the potential to ruin the game play significantly. But it does happen. To us all. And sometimes it stinks. And other times it is just plain pathetic. And other times, it is perfectly okay, because that is the way it goes sometimes.
As to the blue message thing: The blue message thing was a consequence of a change in the forum and game to stop people pretending they had a rp justification for attacking all and sundry. When bounty hunters such as M&S posted those blue messages, they were observing server rules to avoid sanctions. I think some people have taken this as "bragging". Trust me, it is an aspect of the game that tires me. As to treating someone based on their past? Like it or not, we are all here to play together. If long term players can't at least be civil to each other on the forums, then what manner of model is this presenting to new players?
Has the game not improved in any respect? And have players who have invested such a long time in the game still such a distrust of each other. This is supposed to be a fun hobby. But a lot of the feedback here just strikes me as too harsh.
I find the suggestion that people "make" factions so they can kill Corsair players a little paranoid and, honestly, a small bit offensive. I say a small bit because people should know better at this stage. A lot of players have many characters in many different factions. Is it a coincidence that some players gravitate towards Corsair/KNF and others towards...well all the factions that surround the Corsairs? (although "are in danger of being overrun by" might be more appropriate than "surround" depending on your perspective). It's a preference based on ships and style of play, rather than anything personal. (I hope)
If there are genuine concerns, can I make a suggestion? Let these guys have a chance. That's all. If needs be, perhaps they could start from Douglas Station and begin their crusade in Omega 5 or 3 - perhaps re-supplying from a repair ship or stationary gunboat. I don't think there is any harm in allowing people at least try new things. If a similar Corsair faction was established I might feel similarly worried. But the insults here are prejudiced. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Some other random brain-farts: the BAF wasn't always the massive fleet it now is. And to be honest, it looked like it was in need of trimming for some time. People will stay with factions so long as there is something to do. And a enemy at your door is a sure-fire way to encourage activity. Whether or not it's the type of activity you actually want is a different matter.
A crusade against the Mollies doesn't make sense, from a cultural point of view, the Mollies are effectively cousins to the Bretonians. A ceasefire between them was in effect for a long time. Sure, they might be a growing threat, but they speak the same lingo and their demands are at least "reasonable."
Just because someone was a tool before doesn't mean they are going to be a tool always. I can think of some exceptions. But life is too short to waste time playing a hobby that causes such bad feeling.
That is the most convincing arguement for this faction's existence I've heard in this thread.
The main problem is that a lot of us are getting sick of defending Corsair territory every day. I'll give you an example. The title of the TBH skype chat is:
"TBH Members Chat: Maybe we get sick of defending Omicron Gamma every hour of every day?"
This is a sentiment that many active TBH members feel and agree with.
Paranoid it may be.
Unwarranted paranoia though? I think that's debatable considering how often Omicron Gamma gets invaded.
That said, if people are confident that this wont turn into a "Let's raid Gamma!" faction, then okay, feel free to try.
I will weigh in here, and I do hope you respect my position Zig, it's not one of contempt but one of honest criticism of you.
I do believe this faction can exist but as yet I do not believe you should be one to lead it, simply put I do not think you are truly ready to lead a faction that causes so much controversy. This requires a degree of finesse which, at this moment, you lack. That is not to say you will always lack it, since we allowed you into the Rogues your attitudes and demeanour have improved greatly, but for this to work they must improve still further. In all honesty my suggestion would be to put this on ther backburner until you can take this on and deal with the flak you will recieve in an even handed manner, without recourse to hot-headedness and temper flarings.
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