No, =CR= are Nazi, oppressors, tyrant, invaders and so on... poor Lolcasts:(
ONtopic: I like the idea of such a faction. But why not Nazi? From a political point of view, we have the left side extremists (Communists - SCRA), we have the central-right / central-left governments (all the houses except Gallia) and we would need some right side extremists (Nazi faction) and I think that the Gallic Royal House is the best option... they already hate "sirians", they use violence on their own people...
kinda offtop, but yes, I did read the book. And Henlein's got a point - logically you'd be more willing to vote for a guy who laid his life. That gives a hint, that what he might lack in political prowess (is it needed to administrate even?) he will more than make up for with dedication.
Nazism is appealing today because it posed a third option, an alternative of democracy that didn't necessarily involve economic oppression.
' Wrote:ONtopic: I like the idea of such a faction. But why not Nazi? From a political point of view, we have the left side extremists (Communists - SCRA), we have the central-right / central-left governments (all the houses except Gallia) and we would need some right side extremists (Nazi faction) and I think that the Gallic Royal House is the best option... they already hate "sirians", they use violence on their own people...
To answer, thinking political:
You are right Mao, Gallia would be one of the logical choices.
And why should we not have a correct equation?
To answer, thinking psychological:
Why do a lot of people want this faction in Rheinland?
The answer is simple:
They want to play exactly the Nazi- "Hitler-Bad"- scum which history has taught us to hate.
' Wrote:Why do a lot of people want this faction in Rheinland?
The answer is simple:
They want to play exactly the Nazi- "Hitler-Bad"- scum which history has taught us to hate.
Or perhaps because Rheinland is already bordering on facism?
Therefore it's the most susceptible to the facist ideals.
Doing it in Kusari beats the point of making a facist based faction, since the only non-facist type faction is the GC, so they don't really need any more.
' Wrote:Nazism is appealing today because it posed a third option, an alternative of democracy that didn't necessarily involve economic oppression.
@Panzer and all interested ones:
A little off topic as well, but I think the question fits in the context.
You know Tom and Jerry.
When I was a child, I always asked my self why Tom dos not improve his funny machines, instead of always coming up with a new not functioning one.
Now I'm grown up and ask:
Why changing to a completely different system, proven not working, than trying to correct the present one which is at least somewhat stable.
There are just 3 things I would change in our European structures:
1.: I would forbid stock option speculation, we have seen the outcome.
2.: I would forbid compound interest, because having money on your bank account does not create manpower (and that is what money stands for).
3.: I would forbid that managers get money for laying off people. If you get paid 10mil ? for raising the companies income another 10% and the only way to do that is to fire some hundred people, would you not do that? Of course that will ruin the company in the long run but what do you care, if you have some million on your bank account?
That would improve our economy and by that give us citizens more money (a minimum minimum wage in Germany would be nice as well, like it is in the UK and FR and many other states to my knowledge).
' Wrote:Or perhaps because Rheinland is already bordering on facism?
Therefore it's the most susceptible to the facist ideals.
Doing it in Kusari beats the point of making a facist based faction, since the only non-facist type faction is the GC, so they don't really need any more.
Aha... interesting, I thought we wanted to get an equation between left and right, but now it turns out that we already have a lot on the right side.
AGAIN:
as we have learned during that thread: Fascism != Nazism
This topic underhand seems to be about getting a Nazi faction not about getting another Fascist faction.
As you self have admitted that we have a lot of Fascist factions already.
' Wrote:Aha... interesting, I thought we wanted to get an equation between left and right, but now it turns out that we already have a lot on the right side.
AGAIN:
as we have learned during that thread: Fascism != Nazism
This topic underhand seems to be about getting a Nazi faction not about getting another Fascist faction.
As you self have admitted that we have a lot of Fascist factions already.
Read it carefuly. I said within Kusari there are plenty of facist factions.
In Rheinland there isn't a single facist faction, their government is borderline facist.
In Bretonia there is no facist factions.
In Liberty, we have perhaps the Xeno's, who aren't facist. They're racist. So yet again no facist factions.
Which means.......... The non-facist factions well and truely outnumber the facist ones.
Lets look at Kusari
The government is the facist faction. The Navy and State Police listen to the governmennt so by definitation they are facists. Kishiro and Samura also listen to the government, but they are not facist.
The Blood Dragons would be a facist faction if they were in power.
The GC are the most anti-facist faction in the game.
Think it over.
Oh and stop bloody double posting. It makes you seem like a +1 type of guy. Edit your posts.
' Wrote:Read it carefuly. I said within Kusari there are plenty of facist factions.
In Rheinland there isn't a single facist faction, their government is borderline facist.
In Bretonia there is no facist factions.
In Liberty, we have perhaps the Xeno's, who aren't facist. They're racist. So yet again no facist factions.
Which means.......... The non-facist factions well and truely outnumber the facist ones.
Lets look at Kusari
The government is the facist faction. The Navy and State Police listen to the governmennt so by definitation they are facists. Kishiro and Samura also listen to the government, but they are not facist.
The Blood Dragons would be a facist faction if they were in power.
The GC are the most anti-facist faction in the game.
Think it over.
Oh and stop bloody double posting. It makes you seem like a +1 type of guy. Edit your posts.
Ok, I read it carefully.
The point which you miss the equation is the following:
What is being tried to achieve is a distribution that looks like this:
Some left factions | a lot of neutral factions | and some right factions.
Now what you do is: you compare the fascist factions with the neutral factions.
But you can't do that, for the neutrals fall out of the equation.
And our equation is supposed to look like this:
Some left extremists == some right extremists.
Up to the actual point, we already have a lot of right factions,
why are they not enough?
And why is the faction that should come so HOT that a whole forum discussion has to take place if we already have so many fascists, yet to the point that "they beat the point"?
Therefore (for the answer to this rhetoric question) I refer to my paragraphs 1 to 3 on page 9 of this topic.
I'd like to point out that the concept of fascist is nothing new at all to our roll play. In fact, its quite an old fellow, with more friends than you care to think about.
The figure of Pride, Xenophobia and Agressive Expansion can be found all over Sirius: Corsairs, Kusari, Outcasts, BDs, Gallics, in the past 3 years Rheinand (hint: Godkanzler) and so on.
In fact, I dare say that fascism is WAY overused in discovery. Having someone stating that his character is so proud to come from a poor rotten place he doesn't want to see improved but rather expanded, is as common as Battleships writing "ENGAGGNING!" right after coming out of cruise speed.
I'd rather say that the disco characters need to be a little more self aware of their situation and how they can improve it. Especially since they managed to leave their planets and stations behind, they should be way more open to other ideas of life style.
My characters aren't proud miners, who actually think that its a good thing to work like a slave in a mine field. they aren't proud corsairs who think that Crete actually is a nice place. They aren't oh so proud Bundschuhs (lol just think about that!). But yours all are! Unconsciously you seem think its part of assuming a roll, to paint it completely black or white and make it as fascist as possible to come across nicely with your faction's ID. Frankly, I can't hear this fuss anymore. Its more than uncreative and flaws immersion.
I hope I didn't offend anyone since I didn't intend to.
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