So, it's not enough that you have to have your voice heard, DI, but also have your opponents not only shut down, but vilified as well?
Hm.
My approach to cleaning this thread wasn't as sinister as you claim it to be. I removed the trolling present from both sides. It was that simple. Mayhap my implication was missed, but I also hoped you would repost the information you collected as to what event it was Joe received his praise for. Instead, I've become the target of your abuse.
I'm not going to spend my time sifting through every letter of four pages of posts and editing each post, and this is for two reasons. The first is that it would destroy the evidence of what was originally said in each post, and the second being that it would be immeasurably time consuming if the moderation took that stance on all but the most necessary of items.
If you choose to believe my actions are representable otherwise, by all means, feel free. I can explain my motives to you, but I cannot comprehend them for you.
By-the-by, when a post is made invisible, you folks can't see it anymore, but for the moderation and administration it's still there. "Cleaning a thread" doesn't destroy the evidence, which is why we're actually instructed to never, ever delete posts as that would do so. As I mentioned above, it would be preferable to invisible a post to preserve its content, remove it from public view and eliminate the potential for further inflammatory remarks than it would to adjust that text and lose the original trolling to the ethos of cyberspace.
Tangentially, I find it terribly entertaining that the moderation was criticized for being lock-heavy, but now that I'm exercising the desired moderation tactic and cleaning a thread instead of locking it down, I'm being criticized for not doing so in a way as expected by a particular member. As you asked yesterday, I'm performing my duties as a member of the moderation team using my own thoughts and judgment. Not yours or anyone else's. I must have a rather high opinion of myself, though. I thought I was being quite fair.
' Wrote:Usually your first post or two is a meritable argument that should stay to be read but what tends to follow is a parade of trolling right across the thread.
The parade of trolling being the trolling of Dusty, reverse Joe, Daedric and some more of the usual suspects which I didnt agree with at some point, but strangely nothing ever happens to them, and then someone calls my defending myself against them trolling, and then some mod or admin locks the thread, invisibles the worst of their posts, and then reprimands me, nicely covering up that they were losing the argument that they started.
' Wrote:So, it's not enough that you have to have your voice heard, DI, but also have your opponents not only shut down, but vilified as well?
By vilifying, do you mean pointing out their own actions and asking that they be made accountable for them, or do you mean having them sanctioned?
What would be enough for me is that you get them to change their insulting behavior towards me and other people.
By just invisibling them after I adn others read them you do nothing to stop them from doing it again. You are helping them get away with it.
' Wrote:My approach to cleaning this thread wasn't as sinister as you claim it to be. I removed the trolling present from both sides. It was that simple. Mayhap my implication was missed, but I also hoped you would repost the information you collected as to what event it was Joe received his praise for. Instead, I've become the target of your abuse.
You removed "trolling" form bother sides?
Tell me, what "trolling" did you remove form my side?
What you removed from my side was me showing to everyone how they were trolling and insulting me.
So you implied that I may repost something that you just deleted?
Is this like the "all you had to do was ask me but you never did" after I asked something 5 times including one time directly directed at him?
Now you delete something and say "post it again"?
Same tactic to get me annoyed hoping I start being insulting as Dusty, reverse Joe, Sppaace?
' Wrote:I'm not going to spend my time sifting through every letter of four pages of posts and editing each post, and this is for two reasons. The first is that it would destroy the evidence of what was originally said in each post, and the second being that it would be immeasurably time consuming if the moderation took that stance on all but the most necessary of items.
If you choose to believe my actions are representable otherwise, by all means, feel free. I can explain my motives to you, but I cannot comprehend them for you.
By-the-by, when a post is made invisible, you folks can't see it anymore, but for the moderation and administration it's still there. "Cleaning a thread" doesn't destroy the evidence, which is why we're actually instructed to never, ever delete posts as that would do so. As I mentioned above, it would be preferable to invisible a post to preserve its content, remove it from public view and eliminate the potential for further inflammatory remarks than it would to adjust that text and lose the original trolling to the ethos of cyberspace.
Yeah, cause "gathering evidence" for a sanction is what this is all about, right?
Thats why we are having this stupid conversation because someone made a post saying "all who disagreed with admins are evil cultists because Joe helped to not get my friend's chars wiped", and it was so impossible for Joe and him to just give a strait forward answer to a strait forward question.
Cause evidence needed to be gathered, over someone you were tying to drive up the wall.
Well, I dont think you got what you wanted but you may possibly try to pretend you did.
' Wrote:Tangentially, I find it terribly entertaining that the moderation was criticized for being lock-heavy, but now that I'm exercising the desired moderation tactic and cleaning a thread instead of locking it down, I'm being criticized for not doing so in a way as expected by a particular member. As you asked yesterday, I'm performing my duties as a member of the moderation team using my own thoughts and judgment. Not yours or anyone else's. I must have a rather high opinion of myself, though. I thought I was being quite fair.
Well, if you read my criticism in the corresponding thread, you will see that it was over your talents to keep every argument unclosed as a grudge at the back of someone's head, and your way of ending it by protecting your friends from losing an argument and making a stab at your non friends.
Your way of invisibling is a continuation of the same thing.
@ DI (and i already apoligize if i misttype stuff, i'm not native english)
Tuesday, wednesday and thursday I have university to attend to from 8:00 AM untill 19:00 PM
Further more i have meetings almost every day since i'm in:
Student council
Classresponsible for a NEW Master , first of its kind in belgium, it's the first year it exists so i have to help teachers, companies and so on.
Member of the education commision
Member of the L&O
Member of a sport club
+ i'm working on several side projects for the "succesful ondernemen" branche of the university.
+ to keep atleast a bit in shape i decided to go powertraining again and swim to keep my condition Ok
I have hardly any spare time but yet i'll sacrifice what little i have left to answer you
SO PLEASE, DO EXUSE ME FOR THE LATE ANSWER!!
Also: check your Pm's i'm writing Your response right now.
A Psalm out of the outcast history books.
The dons are our shepherds; I shall not want. They make us live with a cause; They lead us trough the still vasts of space. They restore our souls; They lead us in the paths of righteousness For The Orange Dream. Yai, though we fly through the valley of the shadow of death, we will fear no evil; For the Spirits are with us; Your leadership and Your cardamine, they comfort us. You prepare a safe home for us in the presence of our enemies; Surely goodness and mercy shall follow us All the days of our life; And we will dwell in the house of the outcasts Forever
' Wrote:@ DI (and i already apoligize if i misttype stuff, i'm not native english)
Tuesday, wednesday and thursday I have university to attend to from 8:00 AM untill 19:00 PM
Further more i have meetings almost every day since i'm in:
Student council
Classresponsible for a NEW Master , first of its kind in belgium, it's the first year it exists so i have to help teachers, companies and so on.
Member of the education commision
Member of the L&O
Member of a sport club
+ i'm working on several side projects for the "succesful ondernemen" branche of the university.
+ to keep atleast a bit in shape i decided to go powertraining again and swim to keep my condition Ok
I have hardly any spare time but yet i'll sacrifice what little i have left to answer you
SO PLEASE, DO EXUSE ME FOR THE LATE ANSWER!!
Also: check your Pm's i'm writing Your response right now.
Uh, thanks but it's not really about you, it never was, it's about Joe pretending I never asked or asked him, and about the people who started insulting me left and right when I asked why he was behaving like this.
You dont need to respond anymore, Joe already told me responding to the question that I allegedly never asked.
I just mentioned you later again because Dusty said you offered pm and I ignored it, which was not true. I understand that you may not answer right away, but I dont accept that Joe pretended I didnt ask and how Dusty, reverse joe, and spaace behaved towards me.
A Psalm out of the outcast history books.
The dons are our shepherds; I shall not want. They make us live with a cause; They lead us trough the still vasts of space. They restore our souls; They lead us in the paths of righteousness For The Orange Dream. Yai, though we fly through the valley of the shadow of death, we will fear no evil; For the Spirits are with us; Your leadership and Your cardamine, they comfort us. You prepare a safe home for us in the presence of our enemies; Surely goodness and mercy shall follow us All the days of our life; And we will dwell in the house of the outcasts Forever
' Wrote:The parade of trolling being the trolling of Dusty, reverse Joe, Daedric and some more of the usual suspects which I didnt agree with at some point, but strangely nothing ever happens to them, REDACTED
I get yelled at every day
and DI, the harsh post I had made that got invisi'd by Gheis was targeted at Snak3, not you.
' Wrote:I get yelled at every day
and DI, the harsh post I had made that got invisi'd by Gheis was targeted at Snak3, not you.
You quoted me in it.
But you can lie all you want, now that your buddy invised it, right?
Sorry to hear that you get yelled at every day, but it doesnt really the fact that they let you and some others insult people openly and harshly while they ban others for BS.
Not that it mattered in any way if you insulted me or Snak3. The language, content, and person who said it stay the same.
I loved how Gheis said "I could have just edited your post instead of invising all of it but then I would have tainted the evidence we are collecting on you for your future ban for defending yourself against people who's posts are now invisible".
I dont think disco gets any better than that.
Except when they say that asking that some people get sanctioned just like others have for the same or less is "wanting them to get vilified". Cause when the equal player get sanctioned, its totally necessary and just, and when the more equal players get sanctioned, its vilifying to them.
I'm just gonna jump in and try to defuse any tensions against or for Admins here. Especially since this is a thread created to appreciate the Admins and what they do to help. Don't drag it on. Your making a wound bleed more than it should. (Did you see that? I made a thingy) These arguments aren't neccesary, so don't make them go on. If a person inspecting for the best forum saw this, would he be happy? C'mon guys. Cuppa tea, biscuit. Apologies. Lets keep our little sites atmosphere an happy one, yeah?