You only accept the feedback that makes you look good or the one that you think its right? People have the right to see our opinions and decide for themselves who is right and who is wrong. Neither you or me can say we are wrong or right, that's simply not our decision to make.
The "go fill a sanction" part is also getting old and I talked about it in my previous posts.
I said what I wanted to say and explained my arguments and you did the same. It should all end here because, like I said, I don't really care about what you think and everything we are talking about now is a childish game of "no u". All I've done in the last 2-3 posts was to respond to your accusations and now I really want to stop
Quote:What you need to learn is how do receive that feedback and stop throwing rocks at whoever tells you that, in his/her opinion, you are doing something wrong
I'm sure you have heard of "netiquette"...
Your mistake was made right upon entering this thread.
' Wrote:Council turrets on a Corsair Gunboat? Really?
Instead of elaborating on the issue, you instead decided to post a rhetorical remark.
' Wrote:Since there are no Corsair-Council relations I think that assuming they are not hostile is just that, an assumption. For me its yet another example of RR's using loopholes.
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EDIT: You're not that important
Dont expect a nice answer when you cant even enter the thread with a respectful, polite manner. Your little link of the definition of feedback does not in any way exclude that of "complaining." The difference between what is labeled as "complaining" and "feedback" is also based on netiquette whether you agree with it or not. Consider it a face to face conversation, a hostile tone will not receive a friendly response.
I accept all feedback, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Thus, I defend myself and my group when needed.
Quit getting upset when I defend myself. Give your feedback, hear what I have to say about it, then be done with it.
Look back throughout this thread. At times I have agreed and fixed problems you and others have brought up, other times I have defended my stance on certain things. Any and EVERY time you do not get your way, you start to complain that I do not "accept" feedback. This is where you are wrong. I accept it all, but I WILL stand up for this group when needed.
Like I said earlier:
' Wrote:I don't want hear you go "awe:(you're not agreeing with me, you're throwing rocks at me, this is wrong!" Be mature, accept that I think your wrong, and have defended myself to the fullest. If it still bothers you, don't come back and complain/give feedback on the same subject. Take the CORRECT next step and file a sanction. Let the admins decided who's opinion is correct.
' Wrote:Can you tell me the names of these ships. This is unacceptable. Though from what I am hearing from my boys this is not happening. But if you have info please share it.
Then your boys aren't being totally honest with you.
P.S: The RR have already clearly showed they have no respect to fair-play and neither do they put any value in quality of their roleplay, so I'm not really gonna bother about neither of these issues. But since we're here, let me just point out two other issues as well -
I had an Osiris and another snub already shooting me while your two boys jumped in with a couple of one-liners (At least the Ossie had the decency to stand down after seeing the mess the RR had made).
You can clearly see the "quality" of their roleplay in those screenshots, so I don't really see the need to comment. Even a /l1, /l2, /l3 coulda done the same thing.
' Wrote:Then your boys aren't being totally honest with you.
P.S: The RR have already clearly showed they have no respect to fair-play and neither do they put any value in quality of their roleplay, so I'm not really gonna bother about neither of these issues. But since we're here, let me just point out two other issues as well -
I had an Osiris and another snub already shooting me while your two boys jumped in with a couple of one-liners (At least the Ossie had the decency to stand down after seeing the mess the RR had made).
You can clearly see the "quality" of their roleplay in those screenshots, so I don't really see the need to comment. Even a /l1, /l2, /l3 coulda done the same thing.
The member that pilots the ship Exiles and several others has been removed from RR membership until he can show he is willing to play be the server rules and adhere to higher standards. This happened after an incident Vito brought up.
As for the pilot of Water_Boy. I will deal with that now. IF he had been a Merc ID'd ship I don't see a problem with his role play. Especially given the fact that he started off with hardly any comparable English, we have worked with him for some time and this is the first glitch of note I've seen with him. But I WILL deal with it.
As to your two notes.
1: Corsairs would have been hostile to our boys aswell, so entering a fight would have put the tables against them aswell. EG: A 3 way fight (though if this did not happen then there is some lack of role play from the Corsair).
2: Please do not make a judgment of our group as a whole based off the actions seen from less than 5% of our member base. Quality of Role Play IS important to us, but don't expect a paragraph of words from a merc or pirate who is simply trying to get his credits.
So in retrospect: I will deal with Water_Boy. Exiles has already been removed. We DO value RP, you can't expect AMAZING RP from a player who is still learning English. Yes he does speak it, but he is not a vocabulary pro as some may put it. I have seen and worked with that member on many an occasion, and each time he puts forth effort to better his RP. We're not all experts from the get go, please keep that in mind.
' Wrote:The member that pilots the ship Exiles and several others has been removed from RR membership until he can show he is willing to play be the server rules and adhere to higher standards. This happened after an incident Vito brought up.
Good to know.
' Wrote:As for the pilot of Water_Boy. I will deal with that now. IF he had been a Merc ID'd ship I don't see a problem with his role play. Especially given the fact that he started off with hardly any comparable English, we have worked with him for some time and this is the first glitch of note I've seen with him. But I WILL deal with it.
' Wrote:Quality of Role Play IS important to us, but don't expect a paragraph of words from a merc or pirate who is simply trying to get his credits.
My main chars are all mercs and I personally am not much of a talking type myself, so I fully understand a merc coming in and just saying something for the sake of going on with claiming the bounty. However, the issue I see here is that there was no notable "interaction" done by neither of your guys. It was a purely one-sided roleplay and just as good as "/setmsg 1 Ok #t, Rorry wants your head and I'll take it to him.", no more, no less. "Good RP" is totally subjective, but at least to my standards, that's something I call a "lame" RP as it involved no interaction at all.
' Wrote:1: Corsairs would have been hostile to our boys aswell, so entering a fight would have put the tables against them aswell. EG: A 3 way fight (though if this did not happen then there is some lack of role play from the Corsair).
The Osiris and the snub I mentioned were Order, not Corsair.
' Wrote:2: Please do not make a judgment of our group as a whole based off the actions seen from less than 5% of our member base.
' Wrote:you can't expect AMAZING RP from a player who is still learning English. Yes he does speak it, but he is not a vocabulary pro as some may put it. I have seen and worked with that member on many an occasion, and each time he puts forth effort to better his RP. We're not all experts from the get go, please keep that in mind.
This wasn't my only interaction with the RR. As a matter of fact, I happen to bump into them more often than I'd like - Call it my bad timing or whatever. So My opinion on the whole group isn't based on one interaction with only 2 members, but rather on my interactions with majority of the members, Rorry himself included.
But of course, there's always room for improving and that's why me or others post here. You yourself (Even though still not perfect) have come a long way from shouting "PAY KING OF SIGMAS R DAI!!!" in full caps. If you were a bunch of hopeless little tards no one but the typical whiner type would've bothered posting here. But one thing for you to keep in mind as well, is you can't expect others to pay you the respect you have not earned. You just win as much respect as you work for, and with this thread growing a good 40 pages in less than half a year, means you still have a long long way to go before people actually start looking up at you.
I hope Veygaar solve all the problems poppin up lately. It was always fun to met you in Space.For me as a non RR member it looks like there are a few new Members who don`t have the right feeling about the Renegades RP so far. I remember the beginning time of the RR. You heard from every side: "Wow. These Rorry dudes are very cool and funny to RP with." From this spirit is nothing left it seems. A sad thing for me.
' Wrote:P.S: The RR have already clearly showed they have no respect to fair-play and neither do they put any value in quality of their roleplay, so I'm not really gonna bother about neither of these issues.
Maybe not the whole RR as Aerelm said, but i am still certain, that the problem is there because of some new members as i mentioned before a few weeks ago. Am i right? When the answer is yes, my next is question is: Why a new recruitment thread a few days ago? Isn`t it better to resolve all problems first before get new, maybe unexperienced members?
About the crazy wepaon mix. There is clearly a reason why a few factions don`t give out technology anymore soon without a REALLY good reason. Not only because of you of course. Only an example. Everybody wants to have cool stuff. I understand that. But why a little pirate/merc group like the RR should have that many different stuff? Or how many men are in the RR in-RP? Didn`t you start with the King as a lonely person? I am very interessted in your answer because i have no clue about the Renegades RP. The encounters with you and your mates were always good so far. But tbh it`s a whle ago i met a RR in game.
' Wrote:
' Wrote:Deal with it
Right back at you sir.
Have a blessed day.
And maybe you should not allow your members to post in the Feedback thread such an immature and sarcastic "no u" nonsense.
Edit: On another note. Veygaar, you are the leader. Is there a 2IC? Or even a 3IC?
Edit2: Many questions. i know. Feel free to contact me in skye when you wish Veygaar. You still have it i guess...
Yes we have some new members who are learning the ropes. The recruitment thread is to evaluate people BEFORE they now join. EG, we will be reviewing conversations of the applicants to make sure they have what we want.
The new recruitment does 2 things in essence. Promote Piracy fro RR, ensures an experienced member base. As for our 2/3 new members learning the rope, we are working with them day to day. And I am glad to see improvement in all of them. That's partially why I love leading this group, to see new disco players become good disco players.
But yes, handling new fellas is a challenge, but I'm more than willing/able to tackle it all. The new recruitment process will help us with new members wanting to join. We get requests at least once or twice a week. So pointing them there will help us out alot.
Wow well, I was hoping to throw an honest two cents in when I first saw this thread, in light of the past 20 pages or so I'll likely be viewed as raging or the like, that's not the case and I'm sorry if that's the impression you get, anyway.
First of all I'll have to say, I've only ever been pirated once by RR, by you Veygaar (I assume it was you, Rip.Red.Rory) and it was a semi-nice change, a Pirate who was RPing to some extent, at least, that was my first impression from the first few minutes. (Bare in mind this whole affair was a month or so ago, easily, so don't take too much from it since I'm fairly certain RR have had a fair few changes?)
However, it turned out to be entirely one sided, you had a rant, told me you where king, demanded I give you 5 mil, (On a zoner whale I suppose this isn't overly much, but ore than I had at the time) and when I offered you what I had, being 10k or so from my destination in munich, you began shooting straight away. This was a little offputting.
Looking at other posts in this topic it looks as though RR is degenerating with the more members you recruit, and don't get me wrong, I liked the idea of a deranged pirate claiming to be king, it was orriginal, but the game's for enjoying, everyone has to enjoy it.
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