That we don't know who you are?
lolno.
It was to find out what OZ: are actually up to. There's more to it than a simple story of 'hey we wanna colonise zeta'
so we look harder.
We know of the basic story you give but we're kinda not trusting that info. Like if you were lying. So yeah, investigating more into it.
I pretty much gave a reason why we assisted Core too. Some of the shots had reason.
Or talk with Mikrosh Ancestor/Mykonos Ancestor if you see him in game. All the other characters are forbbiden to talk with your faction until we find out what you really want. They have mind dampners and communication channels are blocked to anything that got a 77th ID. Because you, are not humans, you are using strange weapons that can't be found in game, like dark mater weapons, anti capital ship weapons and we are affraid that you might try to mind control... and that kind of imaginary weaponry. until we don't find out what you really are/want you can only contact our leadership.
' Wrote:Indeed, so that hour we flew around zeta together talking?
You just forgot that ever happened?
Because 1 or 5 people on a ship = the entire faction.
You don't know what that single person told the others.
But meh
Obviously trying to prove something here is a lost cause. So let's drop it.
Few threads I've seen earlier about your Rp, ones like your affair with the Core and the emergency call adressed to other zoners... Had a glympse on that affair a bit, and from that I think that you are a bit far from playing the general role of a bunch of zoners.
One with peaceful intentions and a little sense of diplomacy does not mention their cooperative relations with the Order to the Core itself while attempting to cooperate them as well. Looking for a dwellin in the Omicrons, you should know how things go there. You should know that the Order, the Core and the nomnoms rule those systems, allying with any would mean hostility with the other two for sure. In my opinion, a true zoner, tired of all the hassle different groups with different wills bring with themselves, tired of all the conflicts and wars, and governments, would have chosen complete neutrality, or at least not declare their cooperation with anyone nearby this loud. Or didn't you hear what happened with the zoner bases around Corsair space?
' Wrote:OZ tends to go eye for an eye and that kind of stuff...
In my opinion this is what makes you different and taking you away from the zoner way. If you guys are really fled from House space to avoid any conflicts, fuelling a fresh one, deepening it may not prove to be the best option for your people.
If I would have a zoner character, I'd play it like one prefering words over swords.
Zoners - Order
well zoners are supposed to help the order, and people who live in the omicrons knows about the importance of the order..
but some zoner groups keep ignoring the fact that the order is helping them.. or helped them before.
OZ simply can't. We do not forget... not in our nature...
And, hiding behind a lie, it is just dumb. that kind of "diplomacy" is what turned all the governments in to
a bunch of ignorant brown eyes...
Core - OZ
I mentioned the fact that OZ helped the order to fight nomads... and I enforced the fact that we ONLY helped the Order with nomads.
That is like a Bretonian/kusarian/rheinlandbertonian acusing the Core of working with the opposite house because the bounty hunters are killing pirates for certain Corporations that belong to the enemy faction. That would be dumb, and the Core did that exact thing with us, but, it was ok, people had fun.
Tired by war
We are indeed tired by war, but we plan to be a dynamic faction, we try to act human, humas change, we will change depending on events. If people wage war upon us, we try to solve the matter on diplomatic terms, but if the diplomacy fails, we won't just surrender... If we surrender to any bully
we won't be able to be neutral with anyone, there must be a reasonable way for both sides. The core forced us to choose, either core or order, of course we chose the ones who helped us...
That doesn't mean we are not tired by war, until now we haven't fought the core, our men haven't shot at any core vessel, until now.
But, there is a but, if we are tired by war, it doesn't mean that war is tired of us...
So, we have to start fighting again, until we can finally rest, and if the first generation of OZ won't be able to rest, at least they fight for the next one.
Words vs Swords:
Sometime swords need to make way for words.
There are some people who only understand the tip of the sword. If we can't reason with them, we need to think trough. We RP old war veterans, we fight for peace and rest, we prefer the words, but we hate lies and
deception...
A sword is made not for killing, but for defending the ones you love
We won't go on a rampage and pew pew everything in our path, because we hate killing. But, most than killing we hate our people to be harmed. That is a felling that will always hunt our security officers. And, if they have to bath themselves in human blood they will do that as long as their people will be saved, as long
as their people will find peace.
Eye for an eye
Peace is not for cowards... If you let yourself bullied all the time, everyone will start bulliing you.
If you start carving out eyes, people will think twice before charging at you.
Unfortunately Disco is not that complex, so it is not a safe place for merchants...
What are we supposed to do if a group like the core will start picking on us? Turn the other cheek?
No sir, they won't be impressed... they are nothing but a bunch of ex criminals, so they enjoy killing
innocents just for the sport[inRP].
In a real world we would have been clients, shooting at us would normally starve a bunter guild, but
not here... So, they don't give two cents on our words, they need to feel our swords instead...
OZ interests
this will change soon to better reflect and explain about us.
the faction is still new, so we change a bit on our way in order to reflect the needs of the comunity.
If the omicrons need action, we won't deny them that. If order and bunters have fun because of that
well, than so shall it be. I don't want to have a faction to reflect only my needs, OZ should reflect the
needs of its members...
Zoner Way
I think people only read the zoner ID because,
Everyone out there have the false impression that the zoners are a bunch of crazy and peaceful monks.
Totaly False! Zoners are not peace seekers/peace makers they are survivors. They do try indeed to stay away from any war House war, but they left house space for various reasons, most of them leaved it because they wanted freedom. Now, do believe my words, if zoners decided to go in a harsh and hostile remote system to get some freedom, to get the chance to fight for what they want instead to fight for what
they are told to fight for, well believe me, if someone wants to take away that freedom and make them kneel they will start swinging swords and pulling eyes out...
From what I can tell in my interactions with the OZ, they role play Zoners relatively fine. Admitting you work with the Order to the Core wasn't the smartest move, but you can't fault OZ for that. Humans aren't perfect and perhaps said mistake was intentional? That is role play, if you role played your character as always doing the right thing and never making mistakes it'd be a boring environment.
The interaction with the Core followed predictable lines. The Core is very aggresive with any Zoner in the deep Omicrons and will gladly jump at the chance to connect a Zoner to the Order in order to kill said Zoner.
From the interaction and reading I've done, the OZ do tend to use pen and tongue to resolve issues before they pick up the sword. Just so happens that the Core doesn't listen to the pen when in the deep Omicrons and why should they? They are one of the most powerful factions in that area of space.
As for hiding behind lies, no one asked you to do that. What was suggested was that you practive the art of diplomacy in that you know what you can say to who and what not to say to who. OSI doesn't have tight relations with the Order, but they do protect us from time to time in the deep Omicrons and we supply them with what we can when we are out that way. We do the same for the Core. We, however, don't mention those things in front of them.
No faction can force you to pick a side, you pick a side to appease them or because you think it will help you in some fashion. The only side you should pick is your own. There is nothing wrong with lying to the man with a gun to your head in order to save your friends and family. In fact, it is advisable as honestly is worthless to a corpse. :P
Zoners - Order
well zoners are supposed to help the order, and people who live in the omicrons knows about the importance of the order..
but some zoner groups keep ignoring the fact that the order is helping them.. or helped them before.
OZ simply can't. We do not forget... not in our nature...
And, hiding behind a lie, it is just dumb. that kind of "diplomacy" is what turned all the governments in to
a bunch of ignorant brown eyes...
Daedric kind of hit the nail at this, I don't think I could add anything more.
Core - OZ
I mentioned the fact that OZ helped the order to fight nomads... and I enforced the fact that we ONLY helped the Order with nomads.
That is like a Bretonian/kusarian/rheinlandbertonian acusing the Core of working with the opposite house because the bounty hunters are killing pirates for certain Corporations that belong to the enemy faction. That would be dumb, and the Core did that exact thing with us, but, it was ok, people had fun.
While, as Daedric pointed out, the Core indeed has enough force not to have to care about your words that much, you mentioning with your relations with the Order helped to develop this confilc as well.
Tired by war
We are indeed tired by war, but we plan to be a dynamic faction, we try to act human, humas change, we will change depending on events. If people wage war upon us, we try to solve the matter on diplomatic terms, but if the diplomacy fails, we won't just surrender... If we surrender to any bully
we won't be able to be neutral with anyone, there must be a reasonable way for both sides. The core forced us to choose, either core or order, of course we chose the ones who helped us...
If a bunch of vets are tired of war, it would be illogical to turn back to the swords once a new conflict arrives. From those few transmissions I did not see you are ready to surrender your contact with the Order for saving your people from the wrath of the Core, even if it would mean a bluff and in reality you would just aid the Order a bit more invisible/discrete. Instead you stated you are ready to defend yourself by force. That is what I got from those transmissions.
And the Core only forced you to pick sides because you said you already picked Order and they wanted no common ally. And again, what Daedric said.
That doesn't mean we are not tired by war, until now we haven't fought the core, our men haven't shot at any core vessel, until now.
But, there is a but, if we are tired by war, it doesn't mean that war is tired of us...
So, we have to start fighting again, until we can finally rest, and if the first generation of OZ won't be able to rest, at least they fight for the next one.
Words vs Swords:
Sometime swords need to make way for words.
In my concept, a zoner would chose this as a last resort.
There are some people who only understand the tip of the sword. If we can't reason with them, we need to think trough. We RP old war veterans, we fight for peace and rest, we prefer the words, but we hate lies and
deception...
Again, from those transmissions it didn't seem to me that you tried hard enough. Maybe it is just me. I'd try to negotiate a bit more and a bit differently for sure.
A sword is made not for killing, but for defending the ones you love
We won't go on a rampage and pew pew everything in our path, because we hate killing. But, most than killing we hate our people to be harmed. That is a felling that will always hunt our security officers. And, if they have to bath themselves in human blood they will do that as long as their people will be saved, as long
as their people will find peace.
Question is: Do they have to?
Eye for an eye
Peace is not for cowards... If you let yourself bullied all the time, everyone will start bulliing you.
If you start carving out eyes, people will think twice before charging at you.
Unfortunately Disco is not that complex, so it is not a safe place for merchants...
Peace can be for cowards, if they are fine with the terms of said peace. You don't have to let yourself bullied all time, yet you can still be flexible to a degree.
If you start carving out eyes, people who hated you before tend to hate you more, and indeed will think a bit more before hitting you, but tell me, who are the big boys in the Omicrons?
Disco is as complex as the players playing here make it.
What are we supposed to do if a group like the core will start picking on us? Turn the other cheek?
No sir, they won't be impressed... they are nothing but a bunch of ex criminals, so they enjoy killing
innocents just for the sport[inRP].
Don't fight back at first, start negotiating. Maybe those bunch of ex criminals aren't into only killing innocents.
In a real world we would have been clients, shooting at us would normally starve a bunter guild, but
not here... So, they don't give two cents on our words, they need to feel our swords instead...
Taking the fight with the Bounty Hunter Guild Core itself? Well, you know...
OZ interests
this will change soon to better reflect and explain about us.
the faction is still new, so we change a bit on our way in order to reflect the needs of the comunity.
If the omicrons need action, we won't deny them that. If order and bunters have fun because of that
well, than so shall it be. I don't want to have a faction to reflect only my needs, OZ should reflect the
needs of its members...
Zoner Way
I think people only read the zoner ID because,
Everyone out there have the false impression that the zoners are a bunch of crazy and peaceful monks.
Totaly False! Zoners are not peace seekers/peace makers they are survivors. They do try indeed to stay away from any war House war, but they left house space for various reasons, most of them leaved it because they wanted freedom. Now, do believe my words, if zoners decided to go in a harsh and hostile remote system to get some freedom, to get the chance to fight for what they want instead to fight for what
they are told to fight for, well believe me, if someone wants to take away that freedom and make them kneel they will start swinging swords and pulling eyes out...
Yea, that is one interpretation of the Zoner Way. Mine is a bit different.
By my interpretation, Zoners are a loose community of peaceful people, who are tired of all the hassle coming with government, and sought freedom and autonomy on the edges of Sirius and in various independent worlds. If even in these areas they find opposition, just for achieving safety and not being bullied, they make compromises, deals where they offer something for their peace. By my knowledge, zoners of the lower Omegas tend to supply the Corsairs with food. Fighting is not always the answer. Look for something to offer in exchange for your freedom. Because the Zoner Neutrality is not a feature coming with birth. You have to earn it.
However, as I play no zoner at the moment, this is only the way I would play it, not the way I'm playing it. Could be different from what the zoner officials think about what the Zoner Way is, so I would be grateful for some more authentic comment on this matter.
I, did indeed a mistake at first, since I was talking with a bounty hunter, that was not so kin on fighting The Order, so, I showed my cards in order to "buy" a friendlier conversation. Then, the non-retired Core GM kicked in and decided to kill some zonur zonur zonur, so, he refused any diplomatic solution. The only "diplomatic" solution was to "surrender" the base to the core[which is not that diplomatic]. Tried several times to end it on a diplomatic way, even dendric tried, but no point.
Now, if I would have "surendered" the base to the core, they could have used it to launch tactical attacks on the order, wich I didn't want to. The Order factions where the only ones who helped us[with nom noms, crazy corsairs, escorts etc] So, diplomacy failed from start because Core thought that OZ are a bunch of zonur zonur zonur. When they realized that we are not zonur zonur zonur, they decided we could end the war if I "lie" to them that we don't work with order anymore. But, that was too late since both order and core started to have fun by attacking/defending Murilo, so, I've seen our base as a bit of life for the Omicrons. So I decided to pull out the sword.
Vets tired by war
Note: Our vets are tired by wars against humans. They are tired to see humans dieing. But OZ also takes care of civilian refugees which are settled on Murilo. the refugees found Murilo as a new start and they decided to fight for it. Now, those refuges are mostly civilians with no training, so if the vets would stand and
watch the refugees fend for their home would be worst than killing some attackers. The vets are not happy to fight again, [that is why we still haven't responded yet with armed force]but, is better than watching the civilians die, at least the bunters are trained and some of them are criminals so their death is easier to bear with.[the refugee part is explained in one transmission a bit]
Swords vs words
OZ found Zeta as a good place to study nomads[since it is close to the nomad worlds but not that populated with nomads] and build a home[the building of the system is about to come since it was delayed by the core, I know that Zeta is not the best place for a home, but the RP that are about to come will clarify why Zeta was the best choice.] Now, when someone brings a gun to your home and points it at your family, it is natural to pick up the sword. Especially if that one already started to shoot before you managed to talk with him. Anyway the swords where picked because of an OORP reason too, we found out that people where happy to fight, so why to end the war and wage boredom on the omicrons again?
It was really not our intention to go to war, and it gave me some heart attacks several times, but I think about others fun as well. I don't look only for my intentions, this is a game about a community after all...
Eye for an eye
We tried to negotiate but it failed.
While i was asking for a peaceful solution on the forum, the Core was laying siege on our base and the Order was defending it, even though we had no agreement with the order, they just came to pew pew bunters.
The bunters wanted our base as a strategic point against the Order, which would have made the order to turn the weapons against us. We've been trough this with the order with our first base. We knew what where the terms to have a base in Zeta, and giving the Core a strategic assault point was not one of the allowed parts.
So, we where forced to choose sides. If we agreed with the Core and we would have agreed not to work with the order any more[even if we lied about that] the Core still wanted the base. Which would have turned
the order against us.
Quote:So your sole hope for survival at this particular juncture in the space time continuum is this - complete and unconditional surrender to us.
Not much of a solution I'd say. So we where forced to choose sides...
Zoner way
That is the fun part about the Zoners, they are not something nailed. they are flexible, so one group might only seek reaches, others might seek religion, others peace.
Our group seek an end to the nomad threat, a home peace and prosperity. But, in this order of priorities.
In our case we where not able to do any compromise. We where forced to choose, unfortunately the forum
RP is not all the story, but the in game + skype + some posts in the flood forum made us to pick up the last resort, the sword...
Actually, we, made a compromise, we compromised our neutrality, our rest from killing[and your point of view about the zoners] for a greater good. An alliance with the Order[we are supposed to RP fetching materials they can't get in order to rebuild the fleet], therefore we are assisting a faction that fights for the entire mankind against an fierce enemy.
And the OORP compromise, we compromised our goals so other people can get some fun in the omicrons. They now have a strong reason to pew pew and RP. And since the Omicrons where quite dead....
So, my point is that we follow the lines of a zoner group quite enough. We are not just another copy cat Zoner faction. We try to be as unique as possible, in the limits of the actual lore[with the hope of altering the future lore with rp if possible]. We do our best to get some fun, for us, and for the others...