Ok im part of the LSF and all our pilots where just getting use to pvp in NY and the way i see it is this... players under lvl 30 should be left alone all the time but if they are caught with contraband then they should be told to make a char up to over level 30 if smuggling is the Rp they want to do but to turn NY into a no PVP place just ruins it for all the the players on the server as that basically gives the smugglers and pirates a safe haven which they can go into and bad mouth the lawful pilots who were engaging them in another system such as cali, alaska, colorado and texas which really isnt fair as what sort of message is that sending out ..... for example if everyone on the server decided to become smugglers then Rp would be right out the window.......
to be honest i think the point of having all under level 30 to not be able to pvp would be a great way that way the pilots of over 30 can still pvp in NY as part of there Rp
just my opinion on the matter
Martin pilot of the =LSF=Maverick and =LSF=Gothiclord
@Hoodlum: You can't read, you just can't seem to acknowledge the fact that I was attacked first. That dismisses this whole thread. You say its not just me, your right. But lets admit it, this whole thing is about the two under ranked player I killed in New York last night, and not anyone else!
@Bulldog: Its not crap its the truth so get over it. Talk to me about killing under ranked players when you stop killing newbs in front of Manhattan in your super duper uber ship with uber cannons, and saying "haha you can't hurt me."
@Korrd: Im disappointed. I thought you could read too.
13, you are not helping your case here...this is not a conspiracy against you, & you would do well to work on that ego of yours.
If i would be a under lvl 30 char and invulnarable for PVP. Can i kill over lvl 30 chars? Because they would be vulnarable in PVP fights. That would be fun. Also to scratch a Battleships ass with my Starflier in an endless periode.:crazy:
' Wrote:I see two major problems with your rule #2:
Most storage characters are over rank 40, so they can't use the Civilian ID, anyway;
If I or another member of the Black Dragons (i.e. the Hogosha player faction in which I'm an officer -- see my signature below) is setting up a new character (which usually means putting $1,000,000+ on the new character to purchase a CSV, weapons and a Hogosha bribe), where do I buy the Hogosha ID in New York? Also, where do I bribe the Hogosha in New York and where do I get missions for the Hogosha in New York, so I can buy a Hogosha ID?
EDIT: Just in case the above isn't clear, Starflier + $1,000,000 = Rank 31.
Hope this doesnt double postmy first reply, the page did not load, so had to recreate it.
Simple Juan,
Any ship over lvl 30 carrying a Civilian ID cannot leave NY and cannot PvP. Like I stated, this would be to protect the storage ships in NY. You would simply replace your other ID with the Civilian ID, the lvl 40 ID rule would not apply in this case as this is for NY only.
As far as the Hogosha ID, what do you not understand here ? Ok, so you transferred credits to another character and it is now lvl 31. Well, go buy a Trader ID, with this new ship your reps are not set anyway and you can now leave NY. Fly your Starflier or whatever ship you get in NY to where ever you need to get the Hogosha ID, or have your clan buddies escort you there..simple common sense.
We want to encourage RP. We want to prevent people abusing loop holes. We want to make the game fun for newbies.
I say make specific faction IDs limited to players level 30 and up. This way you can not belong to a named faction unless you are level 30. I meanreally..you should not be able to crank out LHs or LSF or Corsairs or Outcasts by the dozen. Just make the IDs cost a ton of credits. Whatever the credit amount is for level 30..make the IDs cost that much. People should have to work to play the character they want. It should not just be an excuse to hassle lawful forces or hassle unlawful forces.
To just trade and explore we have the many generic IDs such as Civilian, Freelancer, Trader. With these people can explore and learn the game. And they really should learn the game before buying a specific faction ID.
Once someone has learned enough and feels ready; they buy a specific faction ID. Regardless of the ship or money they have they become at least level 30.
Turn back pvp in ny. It is a shame that it is turned off.
Make rule breaking of any rule in NY a special offense. Like a traffic ticket or crime near a school. Or speeding in an area were there are government road workers working. The fine or punishment is 2, 3, 5 times what it is anywere else. Rping and PVPing in NY is a big responsibility and people really need to take it more seriously in my opinion.
Punishing the server for the actions of a few and the accusation made by a few to the admins..its just not right. Ive yet to be sanctioned for anything and would like to keep it that way. It takes a bit of work. Now I am being punished for what a couple idiots have done. *whines and stamps his feet* its not fair *goes and stand in a corner*
Nice attitude 13Cent ... So its all about you is it ? No one else here matters as long as you are ok mate.
Sorry about making your day, I always try to be helpful.
So I give you a polite warning about not engaging anymore low levels, and you blow it into this now. I
did warn you at the time, if it went any further, that things would have to change.
Well, they did unfortunately, for everyone else as well, but that doesn't appear to be your problem now
does it ? You are off to Colorado to carry on regardless. And back to NY when and if the situation changes
back again. Good luck with that ...
I'm sure everyone else here who debated, and posted a few very helpful ideas will be overjoyed to hear
that nothing has changed in your world. Sure the Hackers and the LSF will be having just as good a day
as you, finding their RP has had its wings clipped a little ...
But don't you worry mate, you are of course 110% right, and within the rules ... Such as they are.
Hoodlum
Some say he is a proud member of: "The most paranoid group of people in the Community."
I am not one to make a lot of forum posts but this effects me personally because i have a very active Xeno character and yes, it is over Lv30.
If the admins wish to protect the under Lv30 that much just make NY non pvp to players under Lv30. It was that way for a small amount of time.
Turning off pvp in NY completely would make lawfull factions almost pointless again in the most active and important house system of them all. Just look at how LSF has grown and flourished, How more active the SA is, how smuggling the most profitable route is now more dangerous and fun, ect. ect. i could go on.
Turning off PvP in NY completely would be a shame and i'd hate to see it return to how it once was...
' Wrote:I am not one to make a lot of forum posts but this effects me personally because i have a very active Xeno character and yes, it is over Lv30.
If the admins wish to protect the under Lv30 that much just make NY non pvp to players under Lv30. It was that way for a small amount of time.
Turning off pvp in NY completely would make lawfull factions almost pointless again in the most active and important house system of them all. Just look at how LSF has grown and flourished, How more active the SA is, how smuggling the most profitable route is now more dangerous and fun, ect. ect. i could go on.
Turning off PvP in NY completely would be a shame and i'd hate to see it return to how it once was...
Yes buddy you are correct in what you say.
But as Admins we have seen a lot of player making chars just to attack lower players, Now i know 13cent is upset and thinks we are blaming him, well he is wrong we have seen a growing trend of under level killing,
altho 13cent was the final straw that broke the camels back, it is no way aimed directly at him.
until as Korrd said " Igiss returns" the PvP stays off until we have cleared all this up.
so i say to all members of Discovery " Happy New Year" and i hope 2008 is a good one for you all.
' Wrote:Yes buddy you are correct in what you say.
But as Admins we have seen a lot of player making chars just to attack lower players, Now i know 13cent is upset and thinks we are blaming him, well he is wrong we have seen a growing trend of under level killing,
altho 13cent was the final straw that broke the camels back, it is no way aimed directly at him.
until as Korrd said " Igiss returns" the PvP stays off until we have cleared all this up.
so i say to all members of Discovery " Happy New Year" and i hope 2008 is a good one for you all.
Cheers
With the greatest respect BULLDOGNK I am personally gutted at this decision. I been playing alot over the holidays and some of the RP we have had in NY has been great, some of it not so great. There have been under levels logging on purely to ram people, turn there star bug into a fireball and scream "Wheeeee" over system comm.
We had one last night who was spamming system chat while we were having a Taz, SA, LSF meeting. I PM'd him and asked him to stop and he kindly agreeded and apologised. He was in a level 3 Starbug and was just there to disrupt. I was forced to destroy him myself on my way to the RP meeting as he continually fired upon me and disruped the Trade lanes. I warned him reapeadly and RP'd that the pilot must have space rabies. There has not been so much under level killing when I have been on to justify this knee jerk reaction.
To those that ruined it for us, thanks a bunch guys. A pretty much uninamous vote was held to make NY a RP/PVP zone and you blew it.
' Wrote:With the greatest respect BULLDOGNK I am personally gutted at this decision. I been playing alot over the holidays and some of the RP we have had in NY has been great, some of it not so great. There have been under levels logging on purely to ram people, turn there star bug into a fireball and scream "Wheeeee" over system comm.
We had one last night who was spamming system chat while we were having a Taz, SA, LSF meeting. I PM'd him and asked him to stop and he kindly agreeded and apologised. He was in a level 3 Starbug and was just there to disrupt. I was forced to destroy him myself on my way to the RP meeting as he continually fired upon me and disruped the Trade lanes. I warned him reapeadly and RP'd that the pilot must have space rabies. There has not been so much under level killing when I have been on to justify this knee jerk reaction.
To those that ruined it for us, thanks a bunch guys. A pretty much uninamous vote was held to make NY a RP/PVP zone and you blew it.
Happy Hogmanay!
Spear i have seen you role play and dont think i asked for this lightly, i knew this would upset a lot of role players but as Admin i had no choice.
Now fair dues to the LSF you have done a great job role playing in New York.
And you are correct also "It takes a few to spoil it for the many"
When we get this all sorted out, i will be voting for it to be turned back on, but until its sorted i am sorry it stay off.