' Wrote:Well Theres rules right, Detailed in the link I gave you.
Based on me reading them, It apears you are breaking them, You said you have explained this before, So im asking if you can help me find it. Because I have not seen anyone address the faction rules. In any post.
Im happy if you prove me wrong, Im Happy if you can't, Im happy if you as a Faction Fix it if it is indeed breaking the rules, Im less happy with sanctions, Especially since you are an admin, Obviously "Secret communications" As sanctions are is unfair when the person involved can read and respond, and the person making the "accusations" cant further respond.
What evidence do you have that we are breaking rules?
' Wrote:What evidence do you have that we are breaking rules?
Oh right, attacking Zoners is breaking the rules?
Not at all, I have outlined why i think TBH OSI and TAZ are breaching Faction rules, I can further link to you guys official comms if you don't understand the ones im referencing.
I simply think you "Stated" Approach is in Breech, Corsairs and OC's have shot zoners many times, Under the gauss of piracy, If a zoner doesn't comply, This to me is a non issue, As ive also stated Im not nit picking at Corsairs, It's the situation, One created by a group of factions. Its my view they break the faction rules, I have outlined why I think that, And would love for you to read and respond, Or provide me the link were you have already addressed the faction rules.
At the very least, If im wrong, you will help expand my RP, Cause at the moment, I have no acceptable roleplay in the systems i reside in while TBH are active in space. Note i said acceptable i can still get by with "some" excuse for RP
Quote:RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH RIGHTS 3 AND 4
3 & 4) Official factions have the responsibility to consider the overall well-being of the Mod and player base in general when planning activities and faction rules, and should seek to enhance the gameplay on the server as a whole, or gameplay within their regional territory as a whole whenever possible. Faction rules and events should be implemented for the greater good of gameplay for all groups impacted by them, not just the group creating them. Consultations with groups that are affected by faction rules or events is a simple courtesy that should always be offered. While membership in an official faction may be exclusive, the faction should strive for inclusiveness in terms of creating fun and rewarding gameplay for as many other players as possible.
We belive what we are doing is in the best intrests of the server and it's players. Role play interactions are good things and we should should always strive for that. I have also discussed this with the leaders of OSI, TAZ, and the Corsair Council oorp before taking the rp steps we have.
Quote:6.10 Player reputation and conduct must match player actions.
Our actions match our reputation. The reputation of the person on the other side does not come into play here. It doesnt matter that you are green to the Sairs, TBH is not green to you.
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Quote:1) Official factions have the responsibility to clearly define the traits, objectives, and operational methods that identify their members. Those methods should be implemented responsibly, and with reasonable consideration towards adversaries who may be outnumbered or overpowered, but who nevertheless are entitled to similarly pursue contrary objectives. Official factions are guardians of the reputation of their NPC faction in general, and should always seek to act in ways that cause it to be respected."
We have done this. Just because a message is closed in rp, does not mean you cannot read it oorp and does not mean it should be ignored oorp. We have given reasonable consideration to our adversaries here. What that means is pretty broad. Probably for a reason, because it allows the freedom for roleplay to happen without people such as yourself demanding not to be shot or held accountable for things.
Quote:5.2 An attack is any hostile action that drains shields to less than 50%
Not sure what this has to do with anything here.
Quote:"INTENT OF RIGHT NUMBER 2:
The intent of this right is to allow official faction leadership to also provide leadership, with discretion, to independent players, to improve server gameplay, fairplay, and roleplay.
This right is NOT intended to provide the official faction leadership the right to exercise power for its own sake."
We are providing solid rp leadership to indies. We are not exersising power for its own sake. This rule is about not forcing something on indies of your own faction. We are not doing this.
Quote:RIGHT 1) Official Factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their owned systems and tax players who enter owned system. However, properly Tagged and ID'd independent players may enter Guard/Owned systems, and cannot be taxed. Access to systems that surround owned system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction.
That doesnt mean that you can stop other people from coming into a guard system, it means that you can blow them up if they do, and that there can be rp consequences to the actions taken in guard systems.
' Wrote:Not sure what this has to do with anything here.
That should probably have been in a bracketed segment It was a group of things showing how your RP impairs zoners in general
Ill re-submit it and try to provide the context.
"greater good of gameplay for all groups impacted by them, not just the group creating them."
Can you elaborate on how your actions, You know the ones (Which impacts me significantly) Is for the greater good of me?
Ie "Declaring hostilities on a faction deemed non hostile, With no way to "Be" hostile.
Bearing in mind
6.10 Player reputation and conduct must match player actions.
I mean my reputation...
1) You know the rep that's Neutral to Corsairs
2) You know the part were I can not shoot Corsairs
3) You know the part were I can not stop Corsairs from doing anything except politly asking "terrorists"??
4) You know the part were I have role-played True neutrality, and 0% tolerance on hostility
And the group, as defined by the rules
1,2,3 All Zoners are bound by these rules you are impacting.
Please note, Im not asking how it benefits you or Corsairs or Chuck Norris.
It says "gameplay for all groups" all being the operative word, Im a zoner indie. This is a group.
And ill further elaborate,
So how can a zoner respond to the TBH? You declared blanket hostilities, KoS as it were. A Zoner cannot match this aggression, It is not allowed in our rules.
' Wrote:So how can a zoner respond to the TBH? You declared blanket hostilities, KoS as it were. A Zoner cannot match this aggression, It is not allowed in our rules.
As this is the only part of your post worth responding to, I will. Zoners can put pressure on the Zoner factions to comply with the demands of the Corsairs. That is the best way for Zoners to effect this situation.
' Wrote:As this is the only part of your post worth responding to, I will. Zoners can put pressure on the Zoner factions to comply with the demands of the Corsairs. That is the best way for Zoners to effect this situation.
Although I agree that's a long term response we can proceed with, Its not really in game RP able is it? When I come across a trigger happy TBH I can't quickly do Diplo with the local OSI or TAZ now can I?
On another note, Shouldn't you guys be demanding the NFZ's and No Loitering be bought back? I mean you wouldn't have been able to hang around and meet up at a FP if the No Loitering was enforced. Or was it the fact that you docked on a FP to supply, Im not sure, I couldn't find your story about launching the attacks on Corsair.
Was it the fact that you loitered and grouped? Did you resupply? Did you run to a FP NFZ under fire? What exactly were you allowed to do when attacking the Corsair that you guys are apposed to? (Purely out of curiosity)
' Wrote:Although I agree that's a long term response we can proceed with, Its not really in game RP able is it? When I come across a trigger happy TBH I can't quickly do Diplo with the local OSI or TAZ now can I?
On another note, Shouldn't you guys be demanding the NFZ's and No Loitering be bought back? I mean you wouldn't have been able to hang around and meet up at a FP if the No Loitering was enforced. Or was it the fact that you docked on a FP to supply, Im not sure, I couldn't find your story about launching the attacks on Corsair.
Was it the fact that you loitered and grouped? Did you resupply? Did you run to a FP NFZ under fire? What exactly were you allowed to do when attacking the Corsair that you guys are apposed to? (Purely out of curiosity)
' Wrote:Although I agree that's a long term response we can proceed with, Its not really in game RP able is it? When I come across a trigger happy TBH I can't quickly do Diplo with the local OSI or TAZ now can I?
On another note, Shouldn't you guys be demanding the NFZ's and No Loitering be bought back? I mean ) wouldn't have been able to hang around and meet up at a FP if the No Loitering was enforced. Or was it the fact that you docked on a FP to supply, Im not sure, I couldn't find your story about launching the attacks on Corsair.
Was it the fact that you loitered and grouped? Did you resupply? Did you run to a FP NFZ under fire? What exactly were you allowed to do when attacking the Corsair that you guys are apposed to? (Purely out of curiosity)
Dang it, I am discussing this with others to, Sorry, It's the right post, Just from the wrong perspective, Lets fix it.
The issue was Hessians, Bounty Hunters and Mercenaries going into Omicron 91 and attacking Corsair assets right?
This upset you that they were
A) Flying past a freeport
B) Resupplying at a freeport
C) Hanging out at a Freeport as a group up spot
D) None of the above, Please elaborate below