I understand what you mean, and thats possibly what would happen if this weren't a static game and all real life mechanics could be applied.
But from a Corsair point of view, I see different things happening.
Certainly, no war with the Zoners. Its not like food is the only thing we buy from them, as we also buy arms, gold, consumer goods and various other things aswell.
Food shipments would certainly fall, but others would increase. The Corsair military (if you can call a massive society of pirates a military) would grow exponentially, as they would be churning out craft faster or of higher quality...
Zoners, I dont know about them. I would never see a war happening, as the main reason that the Corsairs dont invade is because of a hidden Zoner battlegroup rumoured to consist of a Juggernaught that is suspected to be hiding in Theta, for just such an occurrence.
I would imagine more in the way of smuggling, as the pilots spend less time getting food, and I would expect a universal expansion of the Corsair nation. Not into Outcast territory, as that is very heavily fortified (*points to Eta*), but perhaps a much more concnetrated effort on the Omegas, the Hessians and of course, the Bretonian house.
Other things would happen aswell, but those are the main things I think would happen.
' Wrote:corsairs want to get biodomes? - that would end the truce between zoners and corsairs - and would most probably shape the face of the omicrons greatly - gotto think about it. if we kept the current political state up - it would be illogical, cause the only reasons corsairs accept the zoners is that they are still considering them useful. and that reason fades instantly once they become autonomous.
I've already solved this (I'm the one making the Corsair Guard system). What is going to happen is that the station will have two biodomes, and maybe four in later versions (to show on-going construction). While this will certainly alleviate some of the need to buy food from the Zoners, but remember.. Freeport 9 is not the only place Corsairs buy food. It certainly produces enough for the inhabitants of FP9 and have enough left over to sell to Corsairs, but the Corsairs have to pay for an entire planet's worth of people, and all the Corsairs in their bases. 4 biodomes can't do all that. So with 2 or 4, they will still rely on Zoners for food from FP9, FPXV, and FP11.
unselie has a point though. the rumor states quite clearly that the corsairs will not be very dependent on the zoners anymore. zoners have not been very nice to them... they charged them much higher prices than you d charge an equal business partner - cause they know the corsairs have no choice but to buy.
the corsairs do not like the zoners - they don t look upon them as equals. right now, the zoners have a certain power to enforce their will in the parts they are present... when the corsairs don t need the zoners that much anymore, the zoners loose power - meaning the corsairs grow more powerful and gain the right to activly govern over the systems.
i find it extremely hard to imagine the AW still maintaining their neutral zone in theta. the corsairs just have too much power - basicly enough power to even overcome the legendary zoner fleet there. i think that must be displayed in faction reps and roleplay if the corsairs get biodomes. sure, the corsairs buy other stuff - and won t really want to go to war against the zoners, but they will unlikely be willing to agree to stuff like "don t tax traders in theta".
what zoners can try is to channel the newly found powers of the corsairs into another enemy, like the keepers - so that the corsairs don t only defend, but activly attack the keepers. that would balance the powers out again - without.... there may even be open hostilities between zoners and corsairs.
all the rumors about zoner, corsair relationship are displaying a very dark picture - and that is with the strong dependence of the corsairs.
so, yes - i think omicron politics must change very much - and it must be very much displayed in the faction rep and must not be ignored or put aside as something that is "not too serious".
anyway - highly interesting developement...
@Dab: the way i see it - the corsairs do not lack resources to actually build biodomes - but the knowledge... once they can build one on their own - they wont have problems to build dozens on crete surface, too. so - i don t think that 2 or 4 biodomes represent the corsairs only foodsource.
Actually, Corsairs would not be able to take out the Zoner in Omicron Theta. You don't know the politics (PC and NPC) that I do about the system. If Corsairs made a real push to take over Theta, both Outcasts and BHG would be there to help Zoners. Neither NPC faction would let the Corsair get away with it. The PC Corsairs, if they attacked, would be attacked by both AW, RoS, and maybe 101st/202nd, and probably a few independent Zoners.
' Wrote:i like the idea of guard systems - but i wish they served a greater purpose, like selling the capitals - or selling the higher level faction weapons etc.... some goodie.
anyway - derailing this a little bit ( sorry about that )...:
corsairs want to get biodomes? - that would end the truce between zoners and corsairs - and would most probably shape the face of the omicrons greatly - gotto think about it. if we kept the current political state up - it would be illogical, cause the only reasons corsairs accept the zoners is that they are still considering them useful. and that reason fades instantly once they become autonomous.
Im sorry but its not very logical and very short sighted to believe after all this time that the Corsairs being the biggest pirate faction in Sirius with pretty much the same power as the houses that they still cant build boidomes? they can build big Dreads and Osiris but cant construct Biodomes? wouldn't you think thats abit odd? especially when every faction and there dog have them, many without the recourses Corsairs have but they still have them none the less.
And no, the Biodomes built wont be enough to sustain the whole Corsair nation so they will still need help from the Zoners just at a lessor extent.
It makes me laugh to be honest, we have to move RP on else it becomes stagnated. Other factions have moved there RP on but Corsairs are destined to be always starving even hundreds of years later where tech has moved on but we still haven't figured out how to make biodomes? NovaPG brought there RP on by building shipyards when they where mainly fighters, Lane Hackers did the same with Vesp just to name 2 factions (And thats not a dig at those factions, i totally agree factions need to move RP on). The Corsairs are moving there RP on by building a couple of biodomes.
Or should we be just stuck in one time frame where nothing moves on? wouldn't that be pretty boring and pointless?
' Wrote:Actually, Corsairs would not be able to take out the Zoner in Omicron Theta. You don't know the politics (PC and NPC) that I do about the system. If Corsairs made a real push to take over Theta, both Outcasts and BHG would be there to help Zoners. Neither NPC faction would let the Corsair get away with it. The PC Corsairs, if they attacked, would be attacked by both AW, RoS, and maybe 101st/202nd, and probably a few independent Zoners.
Actually, I believe that if the Corsairs made a move on FP9, the outcasts would make a move on fp10, and either liberty or rheinland would take FP2, Bretonia or rhienland would take fp2, Nomads would waste FP11 and Kusari would grab FP6, because, the zoner fleets cannot move to defend any one station, without leaving the other stations undefended. The scenario is as follows: Corsairs make a solid attempt at taking 9, and zoners move ships from the defense of Freeports 11 and 1 to ward off the Corsairs, now, house systems have been muscling in on Zoners for years, and would jump at the chance to expand a bit, so there goes FP 2 and 1, to the forces of the rheinland and liberty fleets. Zoners then either A: move their ships back to where they still have territories, or B: retake one or two freeports. if A, they are cut in half, but, if B, then they take one back, but meanwhile the Outcasts move on Free Port 10, which then draws off the defenses from FP6, who fall to the Kusari. Zoners are, in this instance, the 7th house, but, instead of having centralized defense, they are spread out, and have borders with everyone, and everyone wants what they have. I'm not saying that the zoners wouldn't make a good fight of it, but if you believe they could, even with their newfangled military tech, stand up to pretty much the entirety of Sirius, you are deluding yourself, and creating RP superheros akin to Drake Thastus.
Zoners of course survive, but they simply cease to play a major roll in Sirius politics if the Corsairs, or the Outcasts, or Rhienland, or Kusari, or Liberty make a move on them (I doubt Bretonia can afford to.) Even given twice the fleets that any of the 6 great houses could muster, the zoners still cannot fight off everyone. If Zoners lose their neutrality, they are subjected to a rolling chain reaction that marginalizes them.
Uh...Kinda...getting off topic aren't we? The topic was about Guard systems. I don't really see any correlation between Corsairs attacking Zoners, and Guard systems. But maybe I'm just an idiot. :rtfm:
While being quite funny, your sig was the biggest one i've ever seen so far. No more than 700x250 please. ~utrack http://pastebin.com/SYQXBufs
The correlation is, Guard Systems are not isolated from the rest of Sirius, and should not be treated like they are. A change to a guard system, should change the overall environment, or it might as well not be changed. The digression into a discussion of zoners happened because the corsairs are getting an independent source of food in their guard systems, which would affect their politics with the zoners, But wont.
The thread, if you hadn't noticed, was a plea for continuum between guard systems (which are advancing) and the rest of the Sector (which is not).
That being said, how long are they gonna work on those trade lanes in Taus 31 and 23? War or no war, it's been what? 14 years? They should really be done by now...
' Wrote:The correlation is, Guard Systems are not isolated from the rest of Sirius, and should not be treated like they are. A change to a guard system, should change the overall environment, or it might as well not be changed. The digression into a discussion of zoners happened because the corsairs are getting an independent source of food in their guard systems, which would affect their politics with the zoners, But wont.
The thread, if you hadn't noticed, was a plea for continuum between guard systems (which are advancing) and the rest of the Sector (which is not).
Its already been pointed out why our stance with the Zoners wont change much, for one we are only getting 2 biadomes (maybe 2 more at a later date), now 2 diodomes are not going to feed the whole Corsair nation, so for the most part we will still have to deal with them as we do now.
Secondly we use the Zoners for other things and i really cant see the Corsairs opening hostility's with Zoners when we have enough enemy's as it is at the moment.
We will be able to focus are ships in the omegas to attacking Bretiona, Mollys and Hassiens more instead of pirating traders and stuff in that area, and im sure a more focused attack on the Outcasts would happen.