So hey, about the recent Zoner drama. Use it much?

[Zen_Mechanics]

Regarding those bases, lemme describe it to you as it is and was.

Those two bases were constructed because the admins have opened the nomad ID and our early bases were pounded constantly, hence the construction of those two bases. Then when we finished the construction, no nomad has ever got in, therefore we did our own little "raids" sort of "research" trips to 99, then Omicron decided to go meta-gaming because he saw the images I took on my personal logbook in the "Stories and bio" forums, and then started the war on grounds of "nomad theft". Argueing about the bases is pointless, there was a RP behind it and there is still RP. So before the lols went anti-cloakwise and decided to gank the ZA, they have locked the system, because /renameme fools kept changing names. If there was a "blacklist" option trust me they would have used it, so quit whining. Even without those bases, ZA.. or I should say the former "Zoner-" were the most active faction in 74, Infact the ONLY one.

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[Zoner-Trader]

All i say on this subject:

1st The bases were built to stop nomad encursions(fact)

2nd We gave up on a core 4 base already to Order/Phoenix(fact)

3rd The attacks on us resulted because we defended O-74(fact)

4th They all run for the hills now, as we set all the guns to neutral and now the nomads are free to enter(fact)

5th In rp here and there we have been harrassed and insulted, so wouldnt a people/country etc become hostile to that group/s?

6th If everyone involved looked at real life then judged the rp here, then they would see the same things happen in real life. The strong attack the weak, the weak build huge fortress's and sit there eating an apple pie.

7th In no time have we ever announced in-game or here that we claim O-74, well do you think we should?...it would solve all the finger pointing and 'we know what your plans are' etc...

8th If we offered another empty system that our station's were moved to and it had every basic need for base maintance..i think we would take that...but as in rp we dont have thrusters on our stations...so really dont know how that would work.

9th I dont mind rp with people as long as they actually have something constructive to say. If they dont then i just tell them where to go oorp.

10th I would love to understand how after nine months in the system noone noticed us building stuff???

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I've just been in O-74 on my Freelancer trader, it's been a while since I last logged in. So went for a look to check things out for myself. Yes, no player-bases shot at me, I can dock with 2 out of 4 of them. Just sold one Nomad remains to one of them in fact.

Also, I see both bases I could dock with offer equipment for sale, even codes on one them near situated the Kapa JH. So to say the bases are not inRP in false really, they are being used to sell items in-game to people. Which is more than some other POB do I've visited, that sell nothing apart from being used as storage stations for official faction members use only to trade with. Think EDF one in Tau-23.

I was expecting to enter the system and get blown to bits, not so.

[Hannibal]

7th In no time have we ever announced in-game or here that we claim O-74, well do you think we should?...it would solve all the finger pointing and 'we know what your plans are' etc...

9th I dont mind rp with people as long as they actually have something constructive to say. If they dont then i just tell them where to go oorp.

I really think you should claim BUT do try to RP more,ingame especially and forum as well that will solve a lot of things for those who are in that region but for those who aren't there either because of base siege[aka "lag/crash"]

And make it so..that those who enter system should ask for permission first,like other factions do
Maybe also bountie those who attack your base?So there will be more who will clean your system
*and please try and keep using only zoner ships and not everything you can fly

10th I would love to understand how after nine months in the system noone noticed us building stuff???

Good point,it should be done something about,really..

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They don't wanna believe that anyone else does..

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Should you need permission to enter that 74 system though. I read somebody say it's no longer classed as a Zoner Guard system anymore. Although, that doesn't make sense to me seeing as Zoner Guard NPC fly around in it.

[Jack_Henderson]

2nd We gave up on a core 4 base already to Order/Phoenix(fact)

Then I hope you already changed the pw by using your master pw. They are your enemies, at least many players/leaders in their ranks are your oorp enemies and they would LOVE to kill that bases from within. They would not hesitate for a second to use the window of opportunity.

5th In rp here and there we have been harrassed and insulted, so wouldnt a people/country etc become hostile to that group/s?

Irp and oorp hostility have become mixed up. That's never good. But I can understand why you do not give up. I wouldn't either if I was you.

8th If we offered another empty system that our station's were moved to and it had every basic need for base maintance..i think we would take that...but as in rp we dont have thrusters on our stations...so really dont know how that would work.

Stay. Your bases make irp sense if they fire at the aliens. Switching the base to Zoner-IFF should pretty much allow most people to pass? And Nomads would be shot at? That's perfect for a defense of the human settlements against the nomad invasions.

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[Thyrzul]

But in the past - as well as the present - Zoners have been played differently from your "Zoner Way". You are trying to enforce your view, that one way is "more correct" than the other, but I disagree. I'd like lore patched up and coherent, you know that, but the Zoner community at large seems to be very much against that, so these are the consequences. There's room for a ZA on the ID, within the holed Lore, and they have a shipline to wage war - those are the facts we have to form our roleplay around until something is done to fix up the Zoner NPC faction, ID, Lore and shipline.

Zoners who played their roleplay differently than of my concept of the Zoner Way are nowhere, they did not survive all the struggle they brought upon themselves with the way they played out their characters, their factions. I say my concept is "more correct" because my concept is what I based on the survival capabilities of currently existing factions (except ZA, that faction is quite the odd here). Of course there is and always will be room for survivalist and diplomatic Zoners as well as warmongering suicidal ones, but the latter ones tend not to live long, and these are the facts I based my concept of the Zoner Way on. The only reason ZA still exists are their bases being technically invincible. If the Zoner Way wouldn't be the one granting Zoners survival, they would have either gone extinct, or would not have followed that way, thus we wouldn't call it the Zoner Way, and would call Zoner Way what they follow. It's pretty simple logic, I don't know what you don't understand in it.

Of course I do, I stated that in another Zonerzonerzoner thread. But ZA aren't all Zoners, they're just a splinter group. A suicidal group, I agree, so treat them as such in-rp rather than make elaborate explanations why you should disregard them totally.

A splinter group, a suicidal one, just as you said, not really following the "Zoner Way", the one I previously described, means they don't act like Zoners, and I indeed treat them as such, non-Zoners. Good to see you getting my point now.

Here's the thing, if you haven't realized yet, we disagree on which details are relevant.

I've noticed, so let's agree to disagree.

I've pointed out to you the important details to me, that I got shot as an Outcast and saw Cardamine trannies get blocked passage through T-29. I think that's important, you say it's irrelevant because Outcast leadership didn't do anything about it, hence it wasn't a problem for the Outcast NPC faction. We disagree. And that's fine. But no matter how much you sugarcoat it, you can't make me adopt your PoV. In the ZA case, Order leadership felt the O74 blockade and reacted on it - and rightly so - but in broad strokes it's the same story; just a different pattern of reaction from leadership and different level of status ZA and TAZ compared.

Outcast leadership pretty much contacted TAZ about Mal Fp too. TAZ were cooperative with Outcast leadership, ZA weren't with Order. That's the vast difference between the two cases you keep ignoring.

In-rp as well as in real life, when you get shot it's only natural to seek justice. How is that "pointless"? Getting shot is a most excellent motivation for retribution. Also as a player I am filthy rich, I don't need the credits, but my character was wrongfully assaulted and demanded satisfaction and was willing to kick up a fuss to get that.

It was pointless from an ooRP standpoint, but if you really wish, I can RP a few posts with Duv about how my ship got blown up by Mal Fp, how I want money to repair it or get a new one, and how he will pay few millions to me.

When someone shoots me for no reason whatsoever, in spite of lore, diplomacy and what they can reasonably do on their ID, I can't help but interpret that as an act of player douchebaggery, especially when they don't even face me in fair combat. Do you remember the forum uproar when Doj was insta'ing noobs for a day on the server? Where's the difference? There are rules governing one act, but the other is unregulated and left to our good judgement, and I think TAZ failed on that part when they set their base to kill all, yes.

Oh, if you mentioned Doj, let me tell you it was him and Jetblack were the ones in their Outcast Corvos triggering TAZ to act defensive, and it was Cannon who didn't put a blacklist feature into the PoBs, giving no other option for TAZ to act against those two trolls than set all hostile and put a thread on forum with offer to reimburse the losses of "collateral damage" and put people on allowed list. But somehow I still see you putting all the blame on TAZ.

I have no oorp "hatred" and "grudges" against TAZ, I said before I respect their legacy and like their roleplay. Just because I strongly dislike how they managed their bases, it doesn't mean I "hate" them or bear a "grudge". They are still my favorite brand of Zoner. Don't paint me to be the Devil, kind Sir, it is rather frustrating and pretty much out of line.

You keep saying this, but your other words indicate otherwise. It's not me who paint you to be the Devil, it's your own words are. See above. There are many things you could blame, the two trolls, the faulty system, yet you still keeping all your blames on TAZ like your own perception wouldn't extend further than of your character. So yes, judging by your words, you either mix inRP with ooRP or have a grudge against TAZ and/or Mal FP. You tell me.

And so what? If it makes other O74 Zoners uneasy, have them do a dirty deal with Order and Corsairs and whoever else they can find to wipe out any and all ZA friendly ship, declare martial law in O74 and invite all the trolly lolgates to shoot any and all Zoner ships and bases in that system, and do a nice writeup about how Zoners for once paid the price and got blood on their hands and how O74 got pro-Corsair/Order ownership/leadership. It could be great stuff.

But roleplay it, for God's sake!

Pretty much what's going on now, but it is hard to roleplay when the other side got imba indestructible PoBs. Take those out of the equation and we may be able to talk about roleplay.

That's the downside of no base rules. It applies to ZA as well as TAZ and any other base owning group. If you want to solve the problem, fault the bases and lack of rules to govern their use, and not ZA for making that point painfully obvious.

Funny to hear that from you when you blamed TAZ for Mal FP. I blame both the system for being faulty and ZA for taking an unfair advantage of it. Just erase ZA bases and write those god damn rules about PoBs down already. IN THE SERVER RULES THREAD! (This message goes for [A]dmins of course)

I never said that. You are so busy exploring your perceived motives of other player's intents; when you have no way of knowing.

Lol, sure you didn't said that, I said that

It's an uphill climb going against the popular forum trend, let me tell you that, and you won't make any friends from it. Moreover you have to have time to invest, and reasonable English skills. I understand full well why some people won't take that battle, and it's not because they are lazy people who just want to get everything served, and I find it extremely arrogant of you to just label people like that.

I label people like that based on my experiences. Where I live people like what I described are a quite common issue, and if I was too much generalizing, creating a false image of the community with my words, then I apologize. But still, what I know for 100% sure is that I was able to learn English (not sure how correct I am tho), I was able to learn the basics of this roleplay server, I could be arsed to write roleplay comms and stories while trying to aim for the highest quality within my writings. And with these things, it is sad to see that there are still people on the server with so much RP such as "u red u die", "no english", "engagabungo" etc. who not only unable but seem not even willing to learn more of the roleplay of this server, and the notion that they can potentially ruin what RP I may want to try to conduct in-game just sucks.

That I don't know all the players out there is a fact and I admit I should not generalize at all. My apologies to the ones I offended with it.

The way I play this game, I always prioritize shooting players and player objects over combating imaginary enemies. It's no fun to go shoot at thin air in the Omegas, pretending it is full of Hessians, when there are juicy hostile targets right in front of me. It's a computer game.

Well, can't really argue with that, but then there is still one thing: Shooting down an Elder with battleship missiles is not really the proper way to dismiss his order.

So you are saying Zoner society shouldn't regulate itself? I wonder how it hasn't collapsed then. Of course if a Zoner group, like any other faction, claim leadership, they can't sit idle by while another group is going directly against their will. They have to show leadership and act. Zoners are no different than any other group with leadership - they have to do what is necessary to stay in control. If they don't or can't, they should be toppled. Building 4 Core 4 bases in plain sight takes time, and someone should have noticed long before it got to this point and reacted accordingly. They didn't, and that's totally fair to base your roleplay on. In-rp ZA is a challenger to oust the current leadership, treat them as such rather than attack them oorp'ly.

I'm saying the structure of Zoner society is entirely different. You see, they are basically the only faction without a central body and they are still alive and kicking. RedEclipse has pointed it out already.

He also pointed out they knew about the stations and saw them being built, had no problems with them. Actually nobody had problems with those stations until ZA decided to farm nomads without asking Order, Order finding it out, and ZA, against all odds refusing to hand over those nomad materials, eventually ending up with locking down O74 the first time.

InRP the ZA is nothing compared to the force they are standing against. They only have those bases to argue with and even those are ooRP with their flawed game mechanics. That the ZA survived this long with it's stubbornness is already ooRP as they can thank it only to those faulty bases.

Too bad, if there weren't any Zoner ships around to interfere when all those bases were built and brought up to Core 4, that ship has sailed. That Zoner leadership was lax or inattentive; I treat that as roleplay traits. If the ships weren't there on the server, they weren't there in-rp. We can't just ask for a "rewind" when we blunder and things turn out to get out of hand or say that you are a "master diplomat" or a "skilled leader" in-rp when in reality you suck.

Zoners are lax by nature lol, besides who would expect a Zoner faction to suddenly go all North Korea?

And lol, the argument "If the ships weren't there on the server, they weren't there in-rp." has already been countered. The server can't hold near as many people to properly represent all factions. It's like saying if the King of Gallia is not online 24/7 sitting in IDF, he is not even there inRP, he may not even exist. Good luck trying to represent everything in-game being present by lore.

On your last remark, judge LaFlamme by his words and say he is not a good diplomat by those words.

No, I mean pay the price and get someone else to fight the war, even if it costs you your very Zoner soul. If O74 is that important, make the sacrifice and claim ownership backed by Corsairs and Order (and be forever indebted). Or let it slide if the Zoners can't stomach it. Great drama.

Well, could have already happened if PoBs wouldn't be so damn invincible. You see, Phoenix are being backed by Order, and were by Corsairs too at a point.

Let's rise above that, rather than go "but they started it". Pls.

Didn't you point out that ZA planted the seed? And regardless of that, they continuously have proven themselves to be stubborn, now try to find consensus with a stubborn party.

Regarding those bases, lemme describe it to you as it is and was.

Those two bases were constructed because the admins have opened the nomad ID and our early bases were pounded constantly, hence the construction of those two bases. Then when we finished the construction, no nomad has ever got in, therefore we did our own little "raids" sort of "research" trips to 99, then Omicron decided to go meta-gaming because he saw the images I took on my personal logbook in the "Stories and bio" forums, and then started the war on grounds of "nomad theft". Argueing about the bases is pointless, there was a RP behind it and there is still RP. So before the lols went anti-cloakwise and decided to gank the ZA, they have locked the system, because /renameme fools kept changing names. If there was a "blacklist" option trust me they would have used it, so quit whining. Even without those bases, ZA.. or I should say the former "Zoner-" were the most active faction in 74, Infact the ONLY one.

The RP behind the bases seem to be that they served as defense installation first, later storage for nomad materials, which even you didn't deny. Now, what's wrong with Order getting mad that you didn't just not ask them about it but then refuse to cooperate with them on their domain?

3rd The attacks on us resulted because we defended O-74(fact)

From other sources I heard you rather blocked it instead of defended.

4th They all run for the hills now, as we set all the guns to neutral and now the nomads are free to enter(fact)

Just set the base Zoner IFF as Jack said, Nomads are red to Zoners and vice versa.

5th In rp here and there we have been harrassed and insulted, so wouldnt a people/country etc become hostile to that group/s?

And you as well harassed and insulted others inRP. Action-reaction, buddy.

6th If everyone involved looked at real life then judged the rp here, then they would see the same things happen in real life. The strong attack the weak, the weak build huge fortress's and sit there eating an apple pie.

But the weak doesn't build multiple invincible fortresses and keep them up by magic. The strong is called strong because it is stronger than the weak and as such will eventually break the fortress of the weak. What you described however would be a perfect basis for a fairy tale I think.

7th In no time have we ever announced in-game or here that we claim O-74, well do you think we should?...it would solve all the finger pointing and 'we know what your plans are' etc...

No need to really announce it, blocking down the system pretty much looks like you want to have control over it.

8th If we offered another empty system that our station's were moved to and it had every basic need for base maintance..i think we would take that...but as in rp we dont have thrusters on our stations...so really dont know how that would work.

InRp you can have thrusters on your stations, I remember back then when some lollegated destroyed Le Grande Stockage Fromage, I RP'd it as an accident, happened in one of the labs and thus the base drifted away a bit. Then I could reconstruct it a bit further away from it's previous location.

Ahh, goddamnit, longpost is long.

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[RedEclipse]

2nd We gave up on a core 4 base already to Order/Phoenix(fact)

Then I hope you already changed the pw by using your master pw. They are your enemies, at least many players/leaders in their ranks are your oorp enemies and they would LOVE to kill that bases from within. They would not hesitate for a second to use the window of opportunity.

It was second core base, fake "Livadia Shipard". RIP long time ago.

1st The bases were built to stop nomad encursions(fact)
7th In no time have we ever announced in-game or here that we claim O-74, well do you think we should?...it would solve all the finger pointing and 'we know what your plans are' etc...

Then explain us why your pobs by magically way are setting full hostile to everyone, if someone didn't please the ZA? These bases are your way to control 74.

If your bases were designed as wall against Nomads, you would just put a Zoner IFF on it. But you didn't.

[Hell Hunter]

That's funny because as I remember killing the first lot of bases, we didn't give up because it was loltoo strong (Who cares, you can bypass it easily anyway) it was because it got extremely boring very fast (And yes I was there on my nomad shooting the first lot of bases). Frankly I don't see any nomads around much anyway.
Also the attacking side didn't give up. People just have life to deal with. Jesus.

No offense but when I ATLEAST try to RP with a 'ZA' or enemy, whatever, they just either "LOL U MEEEETAGAEMER!!! STOPPPP" or some powergaming RP/OORP, or just run and dock. That isn't very interesting. I love how ZA don't even bother to defend 74 or their bases.

Atleast I'm TRYING to keep out of the OORPness. Christ.

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If your bases were designed as wall against Nomads, you would just put a Zoner IFF on it. But you didn't.

It would make sense to put Zoner IFF on those bases seeing as the system has both Zoner and Zoner Guard NPC flying around in it. Anyone entering that system not friendly with both is going to get treated as hostile their anyway.