(10-07-2013, 04:48 PM)aakopa Wrote: But why Exiles and Rheinland would group up? Why not Kusari and Rheinland against Exiles?
Because the exiles vs KNF, the exiles would loose. The KNF have no need of assistance against the Exiles and they also have no need to disturb the relationship between them and the GMG.
But the exiles do have a reason to disturb said alliance as giving up the gas fields to the Rhein in exchange for Kusari on a plate is a very good deal for them and the Krauts.
It's not really that hard to understand is it? Why would Rheinland give a toss about KNF when they have a chance at a get out of poverty card if they succeed in retaking Kusari with the exiles.
(10-07-2013, 04:48 PM)aakopa Wrote: But why Exiles and Rheinland would group up? Why not Kusari and Rheinland against Exiles?
Because the exiles vs KNF, the exiles would loose. The KNF have no need of assistance against the Exiles and they also have no need to disturb the relationship between them and the GMG.
But the exiles do have a reason to disturb said alliance as giving up the gas fields to the Rhein in exchange for Kusari on a plate is a very good deal for them and the Krauts.
It's not really that hard to understand is it? Why would Rheinland give a toss about KNF when they have a chance at a get out of poverty card if they succeed in retaking Kusari with the exiles.
Firstly, to actually get to KNF, RM would need to pass GMG. They already lost a great deal the first time they tried to push into GMG space, and now in a crippled state they would probably lose once more.
Second, the economical situation in Rheinland is slowly getting better with the influx of trade from Gallia. Siding with the emperor would mean they are cutting that line, giving a final blow to their economy should they lose against GMG.
(10-07-2013, 04:48 PM)aakopa Wrote: But why Exiles and Rheinland would group up? Why not Kusari and Rheinland against Exiles?
Because the exiles vs KNF, the exiles would loose. The KNF have no need of assistance against the Exiles and they also have no need to disturb the relationship between them and the GMG.
But the exiles do have a reason to disturb said alliance as giving up the gas fields to the Rhein in exchange for Kusari on a plate is a very good deal for them and the Krauts.
It's not really that hard to understand is it? Why would Rheinland give a toss about KNF when they have a chance at a get out of poverty card if they succeed in retaking Kusari with the exiles.
Firstly, to actually get to KNF, RM would need to pass GMG. They already lost a great deal the first time they tried to push into GMG space, and now in a crippled state they would probably lose once more.
Second, the economical situation in Rheinland is slowly getting better with the influx of trade from Gallia. Siding with the emperor would mean they are cutting that line, giving a final blow to their economy should they lose against GMG.
Then let Rheinland put itself in that dangerous situation of having a final blow to their economy if they loose to the GMG, desperate times call for desperate measures.
Sometimes states do stupid things when they are pushed into a corner. As for the Rheinland economy being on the up I find that hard to believe since no IC and Liberty War would have done its damage otherwise why did they destroy the Bering, Hudson gates?? Supplies from gallia I doubt would be enough to help the Rhein as Gallic traders have limited routes to get there, they can't go thru Bretonia and if they haul thru Kusari, Rheinland is still a long way to create strong commercial traffic to bring an abundance of goods to boost the economy. Galliia's presence in Rheinland is nought but a trickle.
All I am offering is a tangible RP solution to spice up parts of Sirius that are otherwise dead as stated above and the RP outline I have laid out seems doable with some tweaks.
Surely thats better than the disco norm of having a RP focus on one part of Sirius while other parts become dormant which seems to be the case in each mod release there is always at least one house doing nothing. In 4.87 two houses are in limbo, if there is to be war then the whole of Sirius should be in some state of chaos rather than half of it like GRN and Lib Bret are in now.
If there are multiple battlefields you will have multiple areas of interest to get involved in not just Magellan raids then go home.
Players could log exiles, RNC and KNF and do mortal kombat for their very souls.
Damn I'm good! I should be the discovery lead story teller, server will be full everyday if there was TOTAL WAR, you see you have to give the punters what they want and everyone craves war the RP opportunities are endless if every house is doing or fighting something.
Why couldn't there just be more activity of Red Hessians against Rheinland? Is there not enough RP their to entice folks? I guess same could be said between Black Dragons vs. KNF. If the incentive is no longer there, maybe the factions should cease to be as well. ??
From an RP prespective, Rheinland needs to take care of things at home in order to fix their economy. Losing Dresden means they've lost a resource-vaulable system, so they're going to need to replace it with something...probably meaning a major push into Omegas, which should naturally prompt more escalation with Red Hessians. Red Hessians should be feeling the pressure from both the Rheinland fleet and Corsairs...and should probably cease to exist within the next several years. Or, perhaps the Hessians themselves get some sort of political gains within the Rheinland government, then bring their own forces alongside the Rheinland fleet, and the you have a newly-stregnthened Rheinland who can fly Hessian ships as well as their own.
(10-07-2013, 05:52 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Why couldn't there just be more activity of Red Hessians against Rheinland? Is there not enough RP their to entice folks? I guess same could be said between Black Dragons vs. KNF. If the incentive is no longer there, maybe the factions should cease to be as well. ??
From an RP prespective, Rheinland needs to take care of things at home in order to fix their economy. Losing Dresden means they've lost a resource-vaulable system, so they're going to need to replace it with something...probably meaning a major push into Omegas, which should naturally prompt more escalation with Red Hessians. Red Hessians should be feeling the pressure from both the Rheinland fleet and Corsairs...and should probably cease to exist within the next several years. Or, perhaps the Hessians themselves get some sort of political gains within the Rheinland government, then bring their own forces alongside the Rheinland fleet, and the you have a newly-stregnthened Rheinland who can fly Hessian ships as well as their own.
Some ideas.
Because inRP, Hogosha and the Hessians are small fish. There is not enough interest in small fish / pirate factions to generate large player activity, Civil War with the possibility of Rheinland intervention is much more fun. Would also bring the GMG out of their mining shell.
People get off on Inter-House conflict it's what they want to be popular you must give the people what they want not what fits in with regular boring lore that is disco now. Good Lore does not leave 2 Houses doing nothing
Your ideas only focus upon nothing more than to Pew.
So to help fix your statements with what you have failed to see, allow me to assist you.
1. RM Fighting the GMG.
Not going to happen due to a multitude of reasons. First off. GMG and Rheinland made good and have a multitude of contracts for fuel which helps to bring in money. Second. It's sheer lunacy. Attacking the GMG alone cuts off their fuel supplies and would be considered Economic suicide.
2. Rheinland working with the Exiles.
Not going to happen. Too much already has been done in working with the new Kusari Republic's Government. With Rheinland building new Kusari vessels to help generate income and put people to work, they wont throw that all away for nothing. Rheinland's shipbuilding companies, Dauman, Republican and ALG would be in an uproar over this for loosing their contracts to sheer stupidity.
3. Gallia is a trickle in the bucket.
Wrong again my friend. New money is good money. And despite the long trips, the finicial gain is quite worth it in the long run than it is in immediate terms. Gallia very recently just opened up its trade routes to Rheinland Corps, so such will be little at first. But money will be made in the long run.
4. Rheinland is dead without IC.
Rheinland hasn't collapsed since IC was removed for getting their hands too close to the flame. IC made the choice to work with the Hessians and now they're paying for it. Which is why Gallia's markets are open to assist from collapse.
Working alongside the Kusari Exiles is near pointless when so much is at stake with almost everything to loose.
-"If we do not learn at least one thing a day....Our minds turn to stupor"- Kyle Sparrgrove -2005
Quote:People get off on Inter-House conflict it's what they want to be popular you must give the people what they want not what fits in with regular boring lore that is disco now. Good Lore does not leave 2 Houses doing nothing.
Good lore also doesn't make a House do something irrational/suicidal just for the sake of in-game pews. That's what you can use pirate factions for, especially pirate factions that have fairly unique and extensive ship lines, like the Black Dragons and Red Hessians do. It seems like a major waste to give such attention to something apparently nobody really wants, even for the sake of keeping things close to Vanilla.
Gallia already as a "civil war" with the Council, but that hasn't necessarily boosted either faction significantly. We don't even HAVE an official GRN faction anymore, anyways, and they're fighting practically everybody!
(10-07-2013, 05:52 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: ...From an RP prespective, Rheinland needs to take care of things at home in order to fix their economy. Losing Dresden means they've lost a resource-vaulable system, so they're going to need to replace it with something...probably meaning a major push into Omegas...
Just so people remember, Dresden Lore-Wise is almost depleted anyways, which is why alot of Leipzig's equipment was packed up (except for the larger stuff, the delicate equipment was already gone). In essence the Hessians are now fighting for what Rheinland sees as a useless system infested with pirates and Bautzen is simply squeezing the last remnants out before they also bugger off.
Yes the Rheinland Economy has never been the best, but that's why the road to Gallia through Kusari was opened, to replace IC which had been naughty in the sight of Rheinland. (No I will not quote Monty Python & the Holy Grail...) It's a slow process but that's what is needed for the economy to recover.