(10-12-2013, 04:41 PM)Kampanom Wrote: I thought Greeks were mostly Corsairs, not Outcasts, but eh...
Rest is awesome.
To everyone else complaining about Greeks and human rights, well guys, these ones are goddamn Spartans and Byzantines, not effeminate Athenians
I couldn't find any stable information regarding Greeks and their allocation in either the corsairs and the Outcasts. I wonder if I am legitimate to believe whether or not this is the first proper mention of greeks in anything OC/Corsair related.
If you could however point me to any information pools, I'd greatly appreciate that.
And well said about the Greeks and human rights. We don't incorporate just the ancient hellenistic touch, but we add a lot of Byzantine as well ( the Varangian, the themes, the phanariote like approach )
However, I must say that despite its democracy, Athens also had slavery as far as I know. I do admit it didn't equalize the level of Spartan's, though
(08-10-2015, 07:03 PM)Antonio- Wrote: King Eduard is the greatest
(10-12-2013, 04:41 PM)Kampanom Wrote: I thought Greeks were mostly Corsairs, not Outcasts, but eh...
Rest is awesome.
To everyone else complaining about Greeks and human rights, well guys, these ones are goddamn Spartans and Byzantines, not effeminate Athenians
I couldn't find any stable information regarding Greeks and their allocation in either the corsairs and the Outcasts. I wonder if I am legitimate to believe whether or not this is the first proper mention of greeks in anything OC/Corsair related.
If you could however point me to any information pools, I'd greatly appreciate that.
And well said about the Greeks and human rights. We don't incorporate just the ancient hellenistic touch, but we add a lot of Byzantine as well ( the Varangian, the themes, the phanariote like approach )
However, I must say that despite its democracy, Athens also had slavery as far as I know. I do admit it didn't equalize the level of Spartan's, though
Well, the Corsair home planet is called "Crete", right?
Also, other Greek place names, Skiros in the same system, Skiros is a small island, Tripoli wich, I think, is a town in Morea/Peloponnese. On to neighbouring systems, like Thira Colony, after the island of Thera, I suppose, planet Lesbos in Omega-91, Lesbos is another Greek island, Rhodes shipyard, in the same system, Rhodes is another one, and pretty much everything in Omicron-94.
Corsairs are, in theory, the most Greek ones, though I still don't understand why Corsair characters are always Spanish or even Hispanic Americans.
(10-12-2013, 04:41 PM)Kampanom Wrote: I thought Greeks were mostly Corsairs, not Outcasts, but eh...
Rest is awesome.
To everyone else complaining about Greeks and human rights, well guys, these ones are goddamn Spartans and Byzantines, not effeminate Athenians
I couldn't find any stable information regarding Greeks and their allocation in either the corsairs and the Outcasts. I wonder if I am legitimate to believe whether or not this is the first proper mention of greeks in anything OC/Corsair related.
If you could however point me to any information pools, I'd greatly appreciate that.
And well said about the Greeks and human rights. We don't incorporate just the ancient hellenistic touch, but we add a lot of Byzantine as well ( the Varangian, the themes, the phanariote like approach )
However, I must say that despite its democracy, Athens also had slavery as far as I know. I do admit it didn't equalize the level of Spartan's, though
Well, the Corsair home planet is called "Crete", right?
Also, other Greek place names, Skiros in the same system, Skiros is a small island, Tripoli wich, I think, is a town in Morea/Peloponnese. On to neighbouring systems, like Thira Colony, after the island of Thera, I suppose, planet Lesbos in Omega-91, Lesbos is another Greek island, Rhodes shipyard, in the same system, Rhodes is another one, and pretty much everything in Omicron-94.
Corsairs are, in theory, the most Greek ones, though I still don't understand why Corsair characters are always Spanish or even Hispanic Americans.
Ahh, if that's the case... Well I must admit I didn't take names into consideration, because if I would had personally followed the logic of associating the names of the planets/systems with their historical real life counterparts, I would have associated Outcasts and Malta with Carthage, Byzantine Empire, the Arabs and ultimately then... the italians.
Mainly because it was kind of traded between the Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Romans, then Byzantines, Arabs, you had Knights of Malta, Napoleon, and that...
( But hey, you have Byzantine Empire )
But, my point is, that it would be improper to follow the names and their association to real life history.
However, I must do admit that the Corsair stations/planet you mentioned are closer related to Greece than Malta so you are kind of right there
(08-10-2015, 07:03 PM)Antonio- Wrote: King Eduard is the greatest
In the case of Hispanic systems, I always thought that the first guy who discovered a system would've started to call it after places in his own country, so for example, maybe the first guy who discovered Omicron Gamma may have actually been from the Hellenic Republic, the guy who discovered Omicron Alpha was from the Republic of Malta, the guy who discovered Omicron Eta was of Sicilian ancestry, and so on.
Sure there's also the issue that, if the people who discovered most Hispanic systems were Maltese, Sicilians, Greeks and so on...then where the hell were the Spanish?
Your explications make me wonder, though: What if those explorers adopted the same principle that the real life explorers/scientists had by naming new found stuff in latin/greek ?
Is there any legitimacy in assuming such an idea?
(08-10-2015, 07:03 PM)Antonio- Wrote: King Eduard is the greatest
Guess it should be the case of Bretonians, Rheinlanders and Libertonians, too, then.
Honestly, I don't think these place names are just randomly put for the sake of re-evocating classical myths.
I always thought the discovers named the systems after their birthplaces, or after their family's birthplace on Earth.
I edited into my own comment that Greeks could definitely be on the Hispania. Taking the rather strange naming system that Freelancer has at the best of times, it's likely that a mix of Mediterranean placenames and themes were used all over the area.
I believe the rough spread of people is that most Corsairs and simply those on the Hispania were originally Spanish, while most of the Italians ended up as Outcasts (although there were still many Spanish people on Malta). The other countries haven't really been mentioned all that much by players or in infocards, but Greeks in both groups, by the above logic and this faction make sense. The Lusophone Squad RP as being of Portuguese descent, coming aboard the Hispania (although I made up some history about some others being on the Bretonia). You've got plenty of places around the Mediterranean to use in RP.
Tripoli seems to be a lot of places... It is the capital city of Libya and somewhere in Greece (both on the Med) but also one in Lebanon, Turkey and a few US ones.
One last thing, where is the name from? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Alright, time for some feedback on this, working my way through your post as I write the comments for this reply, so might not be a fluent feedback, but rather a draft of thoughts.
So first things first, the name. It's like, you're a sadist, I swear.
The concept of a minority that created a subcultural society within the Nacion is working out as there's been likely several minorities aboard the Hispania that would eventually come together over the generations to've their own traditions and own cultural aspects saved over the centuries, but they'd as well be a part of the greater union the diversity of maltese people reflect.
Focus lies on slavery, one of the major endeavours that guarantee a working maltese industry on nearly all levels and economic branches.
Be careful with mentioning your hellenistic roots over what's generally referred to as maltese pride, as other Maltese would unlikely welcome a minority within their structures, even if they've integrated into maltese culture over generations, that's calling itself worth more as those true-born Maltese.
Using the power vaccum given by the internal conflict is a typical maltese move, you've been staying heads down doing business waiting for the one moment to make the next step to gain more influence. It's the passive approach that's not creating the opportunity on its own, but relying on outside events.
That might change with future ventures, but is a solid background for now.
For your deployment of warships of any kind, defending maltese borders is what every maltese is obliged in case of an outside attack, but other than that, clashing through outer space in small groups, fiercely engaging in attempts to enslave people (and more as that, non-maltese), it's the kind of approach such a faction should go with.
Not bringing a countable amount of capital ships into all this ensures military forces to stand down from overwatching your operations more often, and will hand you way more freedom as if you'd drop heavy-classed warships at most given points.
Rank system is clean and structured, just the names. I swear... those names...
Goals, diplomacy and zone of operations looks good. Keep in mind that your Zone of Interest (operations) is not your Zone of Influence, so you'd need, especially in the Omegas and Rheinland, to figure out what you can actively create and to what you'd just be able to react.
Other than that, I've not found anything contradicting maltese society the way you've presented it here.
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