Nomads.

[Trogdor]

I don't see how my ability to attack humanity's greatest enemy supercedes or diminishes the importance of the Order. That's like saying the LN diminishes the role of LPI because they can both attack pirates.

And the guild core are, like, mostly possessed by the nomads, iirc.

In any case, it's ridiculous that I should have to sit on my hands in the situation I described. It's bad gameplay, it's bad roleplay, it doesn't make any sense, it hurts my feels, and I don't like it. :|

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

And the guild core are, like, mostly possessed by the nomads, iirc.

Only some of them ... err, us ... err, maybe ...

Anyway, no one knows this in RP other than those directly involved.

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[Trogdor]

Well, regardless, the bhg core's job is not hunting noms

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[Treewyrm]

I don't see how my ability to attack humanity's greatest enemy supercedes or diminishes the importance of the Order.

That's because you don't really see it in a larger picture beyond your very own case. Granted I think there will be corrections in relation to scenario you have described.

That's like saying the LN diminishes the role of LPI because they can both attack pirates.

Their roles, unfortunately, can quickly overlap when it comes to the bottom. I would more compare it to the case of corporations actively hunting pirates in place of what police should do (and often being superseded by navy in that capacity). Problems of that sort often stem from very minimal and basic mechanics the game provides, and the difficulty of adding new ways to make distinction more clear. Further discussion of that, however, is a matter of own thread.

And the guild core are, like, mostly possessed by the nomads, iirc.

Not quite. Just a few characters. Core's goals still remain intact and involve acquisition of nomad technology by any means possible, whether it is raiding Order facilities or assaulting Nomads.

In any case, it's ridiculous that I should have to sit on my hands in the situation I described. It's bad gameplay, it's bad roleplay, it doesn't make any sense, it hurts my feels, and I don't like it. :|

It's just a specific case that needs a very specific clause, a pure technicality detail, and it has nothing to do with your feelings being hurt. No need to oversell it. This ain't the place for car dealer sales pitch.

[Trogdor]

I don't see how my ability to attack humanity's greatest enemy supercedes or diminishes the importance of the Order.

That's because you don't really see it in a larger picture beyond your very own case. Granted I think there will be corrections in relation to scenario you have described.
I do... just because we're both fighting the same enemy doesn't mean we're as good at it as the Order, have the same knowledge as them, etc.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to attack them, though. They have and will continue to attack us.

That's like saying the LN diminishes the role of LPI because they can both attack pirates.

Their roles, unfortunately, can quickly overlap when it comes to the bottom. I would more compare it to the case of corporations actively hunting pirates in place of what police should do (and often being superseded by navy in that capacity). Problems of that sort often stem from very minimal and basic mechanics the game provides, and the difficulty of adding new ways to make distinction more clear. Further discussion of that, however, is a matter of own thread.

Ehh.. if Disco had a community of thousands... a server population of thousands... I would be more accepting of your argument of everyone having their clearly defined niche. We don't, though... and so roles are going to overlap. That's just something I think one has to accept, and I don't really see a problem with it.

And the guild core are, like, mostly possessed by the nomads, iirc.

Not quite. Just a few characters. Core's goals still remain intact and involve acquisition of nomad technology by any means possible, whether it is raiding Order facilities or assaulting Nomads.

... okay. I won't argue the point because I'm not really familiar with that faction's rp.

In any case, it's ridiculous that I should have to sit on my hands in the situation I described. It's bad gameplay, it's bad roleplay, it doesn't make any sense, it hurts my feels, and I don't like it. :|

It's just a specific case that needs a very specific clause, a pure technicality detail, and it has nothing to do with your feelings being hurt. No need to oversell it. This ain't the place for car dealer sales pitch.

The only part specific to me is, if I'm to follow the rules to the letter, I can't engage first no matter what. However the larger issue of nomads being able to silently engage affects everyone. The noms could get 10 bombers together, uncloak next to anyone, and instagib them. And on top of that... I just disagree with it on principle. To me, "The omicrons are dangerous" does not seem like a valid excuse for only one side to not need to RP on a RP server, while everyone else still has to.

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[Treewyrm]

I do... just because we're both fighting the same enemy doesn't mean we're as good at it as the Order, have the same knowledge as them, etc.

Not quite, because you're taking general RP stuff (Order/Core being better suited for the task than Zoners are) as if it would affect behaviour. Ideally it should, on practice however... From a volume of zonerzonerzoner drama threads, particularly recent ones, it's quite illustrative that isn't the case. So no, what you're talking about has more to do with forum RP and seldom enough with in-game behaviour reflection.

Either way, I've read all the previous posts in the thread, yours including, no point in continuously repeating yourself. As I've mentioned earlier here in my replies I suppose what can be done to solve the particular issue you have raised (and rightfully so) is extending self-defence clause in Zoner ID specifically in relation to Nomads, but that's about it. Zoners are neither Order nor Core to take war directly to Nomads.

[Agmen of Eladesor]

Well, regardless, the bhg core's job is not hunting noms

According to who?

Okay, now you've managed to confuse me here.

Technically I suppose you're sort of right - the job of the Core is to hunt the Order, so that we can capitalize upon and take all of their cool toys that utilize modified Nomad equipment for our own purposes.

At the same time, the Core has their own scientists working on reverse engineering and developing their OWN weapons based upon Nomad equipment - and that also requires gathering samples - so that would mean you're also sort of wrong.

The BHG Core is not just a bunch of regular bounty hunters flying around in cap ships.

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[Trogdor]

Hm. I wasn't really aware that the Core was after nomad tech. I thought they were just being paid to hunt the Order/Sairs/whoever, and used capital ships because their targets did. Then again, I almost never come across any Core, since I spend most of my time in the Omegas.

Also I was quite drunk last night when I posted that. >_>

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

Hm. I wasn't really aware that the Core was after nomad tech. I thought they were just being paid to hunt the Order/Sairs/whoever, and used capital ships because their targets did. Then again, I almost never come across any Core, since I spend most of my time in the Omegas.

Also I was quite drunk last night when I posted that. >_>

It's nice to know that the way we've been role-playing the Core for the last four years is so well known to everyone ....

(Yeah, there's sarcasm in that statement, and nothing personal intended to you, Trog. I can understand where the confusion comes from, but ... seriously, all the wars we've had out there, and being involved in the ZonerZonerZoner thing - as well as the minor detail that blowing up a planet by the Nomads was part of our roleplay against the Order....)

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[McNeo]

I often wonder about the point of RP if nobody deigns to read up before jumping in.

And the guild core are, like, mostly possessed by the nomads, iirc.

Seriously?