Drakes Wolves, Hellfire Legion

[Thyrzul]

Im sorry you didnt even read the reason behind that series of statement's...your jumping to conclusions again!

Read previous posts!

My god iv read afew of your posts and lets be honest, your one of the Negatives on this forum not a positive...so dont bother posting here again. I have no time for fools!

Okay, let me write down my point the most basic way possible so you can understand: You tried to put yourselves on the same level as the original HF with that example, but you are not on the same level as the original HF, so that example is bad.

Also, resorting to insults? Don't you have anything better now? What is a feedback thread for if you just order people out of it for giving feedback? It's not a "Praise DW thread" it's a Feedback thread, so grow a pair and address feedback.

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[Lucas Stone]

What feed back have you given that's relevant or helpful? Other than insulting Tel..thats been dealt with..but you brought it up again as an attack. I cant see your feed back, other than just posting for the sake of posting. Sorry i think you still dont understand what feed back is about.

As i said Negative here, Negative in life you made my case for me!

FYI feed back should be trying in some ways to be positive, look if i said to you.."Thats good but how about this..it might work better"

See a positive negative...never mind i shall grim and bare the negative negative feed back and click the ignore button simple.

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[Venture]

Then you're simply ignoring what we are trying to explain to you, we're trying to tell you the wrong things and the solution to them, but you only see on the wrong side.

EDIT: Also, you don't know, we're the original [HF], we lost officialdom and disbanded, but the Tag's same, lore's same, only members are different, and everything else is STILL the same.

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A Nest of Vipers

[Thyrzul]

Feedback is not a positive comment, feedback is a comment which can be positive or negative, can provide alternatives, in that case it's called constructive criticism, but it can also only point out the flaws in your actions and leave it up to you how to solve the issues (while still remaining feedback). You wanted feedback so I gave you feedback, now don't cry to me that it wasn't positive when I couldn't really say too much positive about you. How helpful was that? Depends on if you accept the flaws which been pointed out to you and ready to change upon those or not.

Now you are asking for constructive criticism, okay, so be it: Restart with a new name, agenda, possibly new faction, one which isn't roleplayed yet, if you are in favor of own original ideas over set-in-stone ones then pick a generic ID and evolve your own unique idea from that. Most importantly, continue without Tel given the reasons I stated above, else you can end up in bullcrap again. If you are new somewhere then act as the new guy, first learn how things roll, then study how you can fit into these things, then how to add to these things, and then can that part come where you start to mold said things. If you start with claiming authority over a part of space you are not alone withinin, and start disrespecting the rest of those around you, that's not a good start and can end up where you ended up with HF. Once you accomplished as much as they did you have the right to put yourselves on the same level as they are, until then you don't. Remember, all of your decisions and actions have their consequences, and if you are smart enough, you will remember what set of decisions and actions did result in the current not-so-bright consequences, and won't repeat the same mistakes next time. If you are smart enough...

If in this wall of text you won't be able to find feedback content, then you are beyond help.

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[Zed26]

Yes please the more the merrier....not sure what additions i should add or not...should i put history etc maybe?

Just a reminder - This also acts as a feedback page, we would really like to hear from you - if there are any concerns, critics - or if theres a thermonuclear war going on - the more the better.

This is what feedback threads are about, positive or negative. Even if it's abrasive and demeaning, reading between the lines is important. There's a reason for every comment. Even dumb one sentence troll posts reflect real attitudes from the community that you've got to consider. Copying the [HF] information verbatim and posting it was a mistake and the faction members have every right to be upset. Even if they aren't official and don't have the faction rights, [HF] also reside in Vespucci and are well established - even moreso because they're responsible for developing the faction in the first place. Denying their existence is foolish. I can't speak for them, but I think even a bit of RP competition would be welcome as long as there was an OORP understanding, but that's already turned ugly.

Also, whether you feel you're truly starting anew or not, your faction is associated with [ZA] and a lot of people are skeptical - that's reality. A base right next to a jump hole, especially with no RP or discussion with the other residents of the system, doesn't help. People are already waiting for declarations of sovereign rights to bases, closing off the system, claims to being the "one true" Legionnaires, and swarms of capital ships across the server should you manage to get official status. It's time to rebrand in earnest.

Fortunately, it looks like you've managed thus far to be the only voice representing the faction. The next step is understanding that it's not always necessary to get the last word in and react to every jab. I think 99% of the time, it's best to treat feedback threads like an inbox only with responses kept to an absolute minimum. Scrambling to write a defense just invites more attacks. I usually think trying to apply real life examples to game discussions is dumb, but you might want to take some time to see how successful organizations handle scandals, unpopular members, and all-around bad publicity.

[Lythrilux]

I suggest you join other factions to get an experience of how things work. When I made my first faction, ALR|, it flopped because I didn't go about running the faction properly.
When I went back into faction creation/leading, I had experience because in the period between ALR and JM I had been in a lot of other factions and learned from observing the members (Justin <3) about leadership and faction structure. So yeah, then I made JM. Thus far, it's been about 5 months and our first month for our officialdom request is also over too.

From my experience, going into faction creation without any prior knowledge of how things actually work is kind of embarrassing and arduous.

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[Sabru]

Here's a suggestion struder:

1. Ditch Tel. this has been explained in previous posts.

2. start fresh, in a new part of sirius. for the reasons given by lyth and zed.

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[Lucas Stone]

Ok i have to ask...where isnt covered by the elite? There was one suggestion run as BHG..oh wait same people in HF run it, ill try..umm Order no, Gallia no, Rheinland no, Liberty no, Kusari no, Bretonia no, everywhere alse no...so please tell me where a new faction can start...without this elite following claiming everywhere as their own domain?

Well anyway ill keep writting up this version of Hellfire and take afew things away to consider that i think are positives..

But like i said on previous posts, which it seem's people havent read...i think iv covered all things.

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[TheJarl]

Alright I'll be honest. This stuff doesn't like very good, the whole switching factions thing was a weird and bad move. Especially in combination with your rather light-hearted RP, it makes it difficult to take you guys serious.

However, I'm also disgusted by the reaction of the "[HF]". The arrogance radiating from them is ridiculous. The official [HF] died and the unofficial one that followed never really came to life to begin with and now those same people of that failure pop up again to revive something that never lived and was disbanded by me eventually with most of them agreeing with that.

My suggestion: let the DW and the [HF] merge.

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[Lythrilux]

Here's a suggestion struder:

1. Ditch Tel. this has been explained in previous posts.

2. start fresh, in a new part of sirius. for the reasons given by lyth and zed.

Nah, I'm against telling them to go somewhere else. They can play as Hellfire, but they need to do a self-reassessment.
I will genuinely say that if they wised up, made the correct choices and took the RP more seriously, they have a genuine shot at the HF spot.

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