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Astraea · 03-30-2014, 07:38 AM,

(03-30-2014, 07:14 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: The thing with new 'recent defectors', would you or could you trust them? An example is that a group who you have been fighting with additional of propoganda is seen as the 'Enemy', if they suddenly turned up...would you welcome them with open arm's with trust all shiny new or would you be slighlty hesitant in welcoming them?

Thats the good thing about it. plenty of RP could be made out of that, both internally and with [HF].

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Lucas Stone · (This post was last modified: 03-30-2014, 08:28 AM by Lucas Stone.)

Thats the thing though, after HF showed their thoughts about us....regardless if i change everything again...they made it clear that they dont want us around. Had they been slightly more open then i would step down that road with no issue. The more the merrier would have been great, but i have my doubts now regarding their neutrality when it comes to other players, they have spoken out against one individual that decided to join my mad hatter group when i was doing fun but completley out-of-there posts.

Here on the forum i notice alot of hate, now people can deny this but looking at posts its nothing short of complete division and once someone is marked by a group there is no way they can continue or be included in dialogue.

Now as for my neutrality, can i be so cold as not to get defensive?....i'd be lying to you all if i said i dont get upset,rage,annoyed,peed off etc because im human like all of you. But what i can do, is do what i do with the wife, selective hearing *laugh* but in this case selective reading.

I would love a clean slate and maybe [HF] can give us that. But until that happen's and we dont get negative comments/actions in-game then im sorry to say [HF] wont get alot of support from myself, not that im anybody important in the scope of things.

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SnakThree · 03-30-2014, 09:08 AM,

You know. It's their own damn problem, that they cannot let go of first impression and give you another chance.

Just stay cool headed and proceed with your plans. If not for you, [HF] would not have reformed at all, and none of this bullcrap drama would have taken place.

Lucas Stone · 03-30-2014, 09:44 AM,

I know, i wish i hadnt tag'd the member's but just kept low key till i was ready. I could have had time to build up.

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Thyrzul · 03-30-2014, 11:13 AM,

Okay, let the well known Thyrzul-style quote-dissecting-reply commence...

(03-30-2014, 07:14 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: The thing is the wolves had no knowledege of 'Hellfire' as such. Only of their former commander...so in reality they are very new to the concept and working's of Hellfire.

So there is a system you don't know if already inhabited or not (because if you'd know, you'd also know about the Hellfire), so instead of finding that out you outright claim it for your own? Bad move. Find out it is actually inhabited and has been before your arrival, but you stick to your right and claim they weren't there when you came, thus you were there first? Another bad move. If you walk into a room with eyes closed you can't blame the chair you just bumped into for your legs to hurt.

(03-30-2014, 07:14 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: The thing with new 'recent defectors', would you or could you trust them? An example is that a group who you have been fighting with additional of propoganda is seen as the 'Enemy', if they suddenly turned up...would you welcome them with open arm's with trust all shiny new or would you be slighlty hesitant in welcoming them?

In this case you need to consider two things: 1) They can lie and 2) the more guns not shooting you the better. Now in my opinion the most logical approach is to be sceptical as F, making sure they don't lie, and then once that's done, arm them well so they can cover your backside in battle while you cover theirs.

(03-30-2014, 08:27 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Thats the thing though, after HF showed their thoughts about us....regardless if i change everything again...they made it clear that they dont want us around. Had they been slightly more open then i would step down that road with no issue. The more the merrier would have been great, but i have my doubts now regarding their neutrality when it comes to other players, they have spoken out against one individual that decided to join my mad hatter group when i was doing fun but completley out-of-there posts.

It's not simply about neutrality or how they relate to newcomers, you forget the significance of your PoB. That certain individual has a history of showing the community how PoBs can be abused quite effectively, and that created a Pavlovian conditioning in the people, everyone who knows the story of ZA, that when they see a PoB next to a jumphole an inner alarm shouts in their brains that it is most probably to block that gateway between those systems. Why do people assume this? Because people better assume the worst if they want to survive, and also because there was already a precedent for that. Why were HF acting so harsh against you? Because in case you really turn out to be trolls and later block that jumphole with your PoB, they won't be able to act by then, so they had to act now. Swiftly. They didn't deny you to have a base in the system, they denied you to have it right next to a jumphole, where it can be potentially abused. It's not against your persons, it's a safety mechanism paired with their lack of knowledge about you, given you are the new guys there.

(03-30-2014, 08:27 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Here on the forum i notice alot of hate, now people can deny this but looking at posts its nothing short of complete division and once someone is marked by a group there is no way they can continue or be included in dialogue.

Indeed you can look at hatred and there is hatred and then you are free to condemn it for the sake of it being hatred. That's option one, in my opinion it's a bit short-sighted. Option two is more preferred by myself, which is about looking for reasons, against who that hatred is directed, why, what did that guy do, what did the hater do, because I think if you have a little bit more insight into a situation and into the relations of other community members, you can more precisely judge if said hatred is justified or not.

(03-30-2014, 08:27 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Now as for my neutrality, can i be so cold as not to get defensive?....i'd be lying to you all if i said i dont get upset,rage,annoyed,peed off etc because im human like all of you. But what i can do, is do what i do with the wife, selective hearing *laugh* but in this case selective reading.

If that's all what you can do with your wife, then I feel sorry for you, but I bet the community is full of people different from your wife, and I know from experience that a good chunk of them listen to reason. Maybe you could try that instead of said selective reading, I know from experience that ignorance doesn't help.

(03-30-2014, 08:27 AM)Lucas Stone Wrote: I would love a clean slate and maybe [HF] can give us that. But until that happen's and we dont get negative comments/actions in-game then im sorry to say [HF] wont get alot of support from myself, not that im anybody important in the scope of things.

Whether you get negative comments or not is not entirely up to the commenter, it is also (big time) depends on you, your actions, your decisions, because based on them you get those comments. Remember, the coin has two sides. You can demand a more positive approach from others and when you got that, only then offer your support to them, but I don't think that would work. Or you could be the change you want, show that you are open to compromise*, and earn people's support with that.

*Nah, not the way you did with HF last time, giving access to your base, dear god, even the blind sees that's barely a solution to the issue which was the reason HF wanted to move your base. You know, for the reason stated above.