As i have noticed recently, TBH is excepted from the ceasefire in Theta by AW. Means either TBH or their enemies can open fire in Theta onto each other, while AW will take the enemies side. Did i get it right?
Well, Corsairs are one nation. AW cannot expect other Corsairs being left watching, while our fellows and brothers are in combat with an opponent (even AW), in Theta. Indifferent, who was beginning the fight.
This is leading into a war, no one really wants, except Outcasts and Bounty Hunters. Do we want to dance after their music?
So, for the safety of Zoners, the prevention of unneccessary losses and to avoid anarchy in Theta, i strongly recommend to AW and TBH to lay down the hostilities and to establish a full ceasefire again, with no exceptions.
I would also prefer AW will take their former, more neutral position. Hunting down only the individuum, who has broken the ceasefire first.
Yes, i'm a Corsair, who do believe in diplomacy, but i will make no compromises when it comes to the safety of our home and to brothers, being slaughtered.
Always think about all consequences for all concerned, before making a decision.
Going after the individual who violated the treaty's terms would work, if not all four of them were members of the TBH. After every infraction the TBH leadership was informed. After four, it seems apparent that they have done, nor will do anything to stop their members from doing whatever they please. And after the latest violation, I recieved word that certain elders of the TBH said, in their own words, that they do not care about the cease fire or the no-hostility zone. After giving the TBH 4 chances and they continued their actions I gave up trying to keep this cease fire active.
Now, the AW has held itself to a neutral stance in the past few months. We have had neutral standing with the Corsairs, Outcasts, and Bounty Hunters. A new cease fire would help nothing, it would only continue the current situation, which I will not allow. As I told their leadership, neutrality will be not be brought back until the AW has a very good reason. I don't look kindly on those who continually violate peace treaties.
About the Corsair nation. Yes, we know of that. We do not look forward to being forced into a war with the entire Corsair nation, but there is not much we can do about it. I hope there is some agreement we can make with the other Corsairs, but whether we can or not, we will not restore neutrality until the above is fulfilled. The AW will only be hunting the Corsairs if they enter Theta or Omicron-74. If they ask an AW for permission to move through Theta without fighting, whomever he asks may allow it or may not. The AW won't declare any independent or Corsairs unaffiliated with the TBH hostile unless they come along with TBH for nothing else but to help them fight us. If they find an AW and TBH fighting and they take the side of the TBH, we won't look badly on that. However, in Theta, things might be different.
I can only hope some of the Corsairs will notice the situation the AW are in. We wish to stay neutral, but if we do nothing while the TBH goes about breaking the cease fire agreement and no-hostility zone, they will only do it more, and eventually we would have independant and other Corsairs doing the same thing. We do not want to do this, but we have little choice in this matter.
Comm ID: Elder Juan Lucendez
To: Broadband connection, open letter
ID Trace: Planet Crete, Omicron Gamma system
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Mr. Silvan, I want to engage you in a discussion about the possible future awaiting our two peoples. You must forgive me for being a tad excited for this opportunity. I have only become Elder recently and wasn't around at the time of great strife between the AW and the TBH, although I've heard stories.
I would like to speak of several first impressions that I have observed. Firstly is your put-down of Captain "Jinx" Tate of the Persephone II, to style her ignorant of any situation is ridiculous. If it were not for her, many Corsairs wouldn't be alive today, and certainly many Zoners for that matter. Personally, Jinx is the only non-Corsair I would trust with my life, as I have seen first hand her ruthlessness on the battlefield.
Secondly, cleaning your hands of responsibility for the incident that ignited this discussion in the first place. You seem not to recognize that the ship with callsign "Corada" destroyed Tinky without any warning. Up until that point, the talk was civil, as they both were at the Gamma Jumphole and discussing things. There was no civilian around, nor any real threat from Tinky. Perhaps a warcry, or maybe a warning of "do not cross this line or else." No, their discussion was complete and he attempted to kill Tinky, destroying her ship. Is this honorable? Murderers stab people behind their backs, soldiers and warriors are not afraid to face their opponent in open battle.
Now I would like to address this notion of hostility towards only the Brotherhood. It is obviously your own choice of who you fire at and who you let pass, but I highly doubt that the OPG or Benitez familia would stand by while their brothers die on the field of battle. Furthermore, this notion of "hostility" only muddies the waters. The Corsairs will not simply be "hostile," either we war, or we drink till dawn in peace. We will not get stuck in a quagmire, nor will we stand by watching you slaughter our brethren while averting our eyes. If you attempt to stop our ships from passage, we will push through. If you come and seek blood above Crete, we will rip your ship's hull into pieces like tin foil. As much value as you put in Theta, rethink your actions, and your words.
However, this is something that I, personally would like to avoid. Peace can be acquired, and kept. The four infractions you speak of are the Brotherhood's fault, I do not deny that. As for the thoughts of other Elders, I can not comment, as they have the privacy of their heads, and our comm channels. Theta is a hot system, I would even say the zenith of the Corsair/Outcast/BHG war. Having a strict set of rules for all who enter is very logical, as their is a large Zoner civilian population living there. So, to answer the question that you didn't ask, it is in the people's best interest for the cease-fire to be in effect. Not yours, not ours, and certainly not the BHG's.
Thank you for your time and patience in this matter.
//End Transmission.
"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."
Juan and Benito, I commend you for re-opening dialog. I dare say that the Captain of the Corada will realize the error of his ways. Don't let his actions prevent you from continuing to pursue a peaceful solution.
Sister Aurelia, I would appreciate it if would also recognize these efforts as positive, instead of scratching at old scabs. In addition, there is a new threat that may require the assistance of your Fleet. This evening, the Harvester Juggernaut "Scornstar" entered Omega 49. My trusted Avenging Angel, F-23 Shamus, tried to reason with the entity aboard the vessel, which still shows some signs of human thought. However, the programming it has been subjected to was too strong.
I think we can expect Gran Canaria to be blockaded. I also predict that more of these Harvester units will arrive within the next few days, possibly bearing ground assault forces identical to those which attacked and killed our scientists and security forces earlier today.
Sister, I beg you to put aside your vehemence with the TBH, and send forces in aid of the Council and the Zoner population of Gran Canaria. The TAZ can muster a few warships, but I fear we will need the aid of both the AW and other Independent Zoners to answer this affront on Zoner holdings.
Once we have made Canaria safe again, I vow to do all in my power to mediate some agreement that both AW and the Corsair community can accept, if both sides will accept my humble services.
Id Confirmed. Corsairs Captain, Ben Laowai, 3 reg vessels.
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BAH! This "ceasefire" treaty has never been worth the paper it was printed on nor the data stream it was sent across. I have always observed it out of respect for my brother corsairs and the Zoners in general, but i have been attacked in Theta, as have my brothers. The area has been used as a staging ground for our enemies to mass and group their forces before they venture into Omicron Gamma. I have said this before, how is it in our strategic interests to allow a marshaling area for our enemies a mere one jumphole from Crete????
Were the AW on hand to enforce this treaty, which they rarely ever are, it would mitigate the factor of our vessels being attacked there. BUT the fact would remain that they would still sit idly by watching the BHG, Outcasts who ever polish their weapons in Theta in full knowledge that their next step would be Crete and they would do nothing. It's very easy for them to say they are neutral when it isn't their homes that these enemies will destroy. We corsairs should reserve the right to protect ourselves how we see fit, and if we can destroy an enemy of our people while they linger in Theta before they even get within sight of Crete i personally believe we should.
I have said before and said again, while i am an independent corsair, i will stand by any of my brothers anywhere and anytime i see them under fire.
Message Ends.
//OOC... if i can ever connect to the server again!;)
----Incoming Transmission---------
To: Disscussing parties
ID: Commandante of the BF, Don Carlos Benitez.
Source: The Battleship Talos, Crete orbit.
This has gone on far too long. A Ceasefire begets neutrality. Neutrality, the status the Zoners seek with all, is the decision not to fire upon a party under any circumstances other than self defence. To choose one neutral party over another and take sides is not neutrality.
It is high time the AW understood this.
The Benitez family, and all other corsairs will respond to the distress call of any of our brethren and if necessary engage AW in defence of ourselves. It is only reasonable that AW do the same for their own kind.
However, taking the side of our enemies whenever our enemies engage us is not neutrality, and is a violation of any true ceasefire that may be in place. I for one will not settle until the AW agree to a ceasefire which allows us to battle our enemies without their interference.
This has been the position of the Zoners for generations; to stand by as neutral parties kill eachother, not aiding any party so as to maintain neutrality. If I where a Zoner, I would be getting increasingly restless with the AW's refusal to follow this simple doctrine.
I'd like to see the Zoner governing body get some backbone and tell the AW to fall in line, rather than labouring under the misinformed idea that Zoner policy and doctrine do not apply to them. If they are bedfellows of the Outcasts, why do they label themselves as Zoners; friends to all?
Zoners enjoy the right to march through our space unchecked, yet the Corsairs have long been denied such rights in supposedly unrestricted and all-welcoming Omicron-Theta.
I would welcome any member of the Zoner governing body who is not guilty of the crimes of the AW to enter this discussion and put forward their view on this, as a truly neutral party.
I believe I have made a step in that direction, sir. Once this Harvester threat is contained or eliminated, I offer my full attentions and time to resolving this ongoing dilemma.
While I do not speak for the entire Zoner community, I am of the opinion that the Asgard Warriors do indeed need to rethink their definition of "neutrality".
As acting Chair-whatsis of the Council of Zoners, I will also seek consensus from that Body on the matter. Some time ago, we discussed a possible censure of the Asgard Warriors, but the matter never came to a vote. They seemed to be leaning in the direction of more peaceful and neutral relations in Omicron Theta; so the matter was tabled. It would seem that is time that the Council reviewed the matter again.
Right now, the Zoners of Omega 49 are fighting for their very existence, against a threat from Omicron Kappa, Planet Gammu. While we currently feel that Zoners can handle this matter without outside assistance, we would ask the Corsair community to be vigilant, and to report any large movements of the so-called "Harvesters" to the Council.
I will follow this discussion as I am able, but I hope you understand that my first priorities must lie with this impending threat to destroy the Zoner Way of Life.
First, may I ask, that if you wish to speak to me Elder Lucendez, that you at least respond with my proper gender. Aurelia isn't a man's name, don't you think?
Now first I shall respond to brother Malaclypse's question, as he is the most level-headed of you. That of course leaves Laowai for last.
As we arranged last night, we will send at least one of our two battleships, and a fighter and bomber to Gran Canaria for its defense, and send more as more is needed. The Denicalus will continue its long-range patrols looking for the harvesters and bringing back salvage and debris from their ships, or capture them if possible.
Now, Elder Lucendez. As distasteful as what I said to Madam Tate was, it was true. She does not know the politics of Theta, what we deal with, or much else. As she herself said, she is too far out from the common world when she is in Delta. She was even ignorant, which is a lack of knowledge if you did not know, of the Harvesters for quite some time. She may be the only non-Corsair you trust with your life, but the lack of hostility between she and you may be because she does not have to get caught up between the Outcast and Corsair conflict when out in Delta. You have a common enemy, Nomads, to deal with out there.
And Carlos Benitez, I would appreciate it if you presented any evidence when you attempt to accuse the AW of any actions. We have not participated in a fight with the Outcasts in at least four months, with the exception of two situations. One when the TT, whom I'm sure the Corsairs remember, attacked the Caedo and Silent Edge in Alpha. The Outcasts and the Caedo engaged the TT and destroyed them. There were OPG vessels as well, but the Caedo did not engage any of them, only the TT vessels. The other was when three BSG bombers and two fighters attacked the Caedo in Tau-37, however 4 of them were dead before the Outcasts even arrived, and the last fled at the sight of two Outcast ships that came to help the Caedo.
Other than those two occasions, we did not take any sides in any conflict, and have told both the Outcasts and the Corsairs to keep their fights out of Theta. The Outcasts have agreed and followed this. The Corsairs have violated the cease fire, [b]four[/t] times. If you think its taking sides when the Corsairs lose some of their freedoms in Theta because of their own actions, than yes it is. While you hold your opinion, there are Corsairs, the one I'm thinking of was attacked by two other ships inside of Theta. One from KoF and another was a bounty hunter. We ordered both to leave immediately and after they chased the TBH to Gamma and were defeated I told both that they were not allowed back for 24 hours. We even had talks with the KoF leadership about the issue. And later when a TBH claimed someone had attacked him near the Gamma jump hole inside of Theta, but the other said the TBH had fired first, we told both to stay out of Theta for 12 hours, since neither had evidence. I don't know what you would consider fair in this situation, but it strikes me as quite fair and equal to both parties. And the only factions that are hostile to us are the Phantoms, the Nomads, and the TBH. The only ones with a friendly status are the TAZ and the IND. And there are no allies. I'd call that pretty close to neutrality, wouldn't you? Guess I'm wrong hmm?
And what do you see as helping neutrality other than a cease fire? Would a war work better for minimizing hostilities between us? And no, we won't be making any cease fire that allows the Corsairs and Outcasts to fight in Theta. That will only cause more and bigger problems. And the whole reason for the no-fire zone is to keep war and fighting away from the Zoner population. This would completely prevent that goal.
And you can even ask the Outcasts themselves. Whenever a conflict starts in Theta, unless there are unaffiliated bystanders, evidence, or an AW saw the beginning of the fight, both parties are asked to leave, not just the Outcast's enemies. Yes, we are friendly with them, but it does not influence our actions or policies. The friendliness between us only exists on a personal level between several members of each corporation, but not between the corporations as a whole. If you can think of a cease fire that will give us more of a guarantee that the TBH will cease to violate than I am very willing to listen.
And Laowai, if you have been attacked, show me some evidence of it. Send me some details. You seem to have an urge to complain, but I have seen no evidence, or recieved anything from you telling the AW of any attacks on you. Your willing to complain, but too lazy to do anything to prevent or fix it? I'm disinclined to listen to people raving on about lies.
Also, Outcasts know full well not to use Theta to prepare an attack on Gamma. They do that in Eta. Theta is only used as a way to get from Eta to Gamma. Passing through for an attack is perfectly fine, and the TBH were fully allowed to go through as well. Now when you wish to speak in a civilized tone contact me, but until then you may leave me be.
Comm ID: Elder Juan Lucendez
To: Broadband connection, open letter
ID Trace: Planet Crete, Omicron Gamma system
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Excuse the gender confusion, Ms. Silvan. I meant no disrespect, and as this minor stumble has shown, we still have much to learn from each other.
I have been reviewing back-logs to ascertain exactly why we went to war in the first place. It seems the main reason was to support the SCRA in their conflict with you. Since the ousting of SCRA from Corsair space, I believe we can offer each other more than simple threats.
There is a point that Laowai brought up that must be addressed. The AW no longer has the ability to patrol all of Omicron Theta. This is a problem for both a cease-fire agreement and peace in the region. However, thinking on this situation has given me an idea. In Omicron Delta, the Zoners have a rule of no interfaction fighting within 5k of the Freeport. I have stalwartly obeyed this directive while within 5k of the Freeport, and have informed other of this. In effect, the population centers of Corfu Base and Freeport 9 would be protected and it would give Corsairs the ability to stop an impending attack on Crete at the same time. On your side, it would give you the ability to patrol your area and enforce the law more efficiently.
I must make something clear for all listening in on this. I admire the Zoners for their willingness to live in the harshest regions of space instead of accepting house rule and living a safe life. But, my allegiance is to the Corsair people, and that means protecting them, even from Zoners. I am attempting to find common ground, as I believe Zoners and Corsairs can live one jumphole away in peace.
Also, speaking more towards Malaclypse, I would like to ask permission to send reports of Harvester activity to the Zoner Council so they may more efficiently hunt these robots, aliens, whatever they are. When the Harvester threat started to reveal itself I dug through transmissions to and from Crete and I happened upon a message that never got through the Corsair firewalls. Apparently these things have been "harvesting" Corsairs and putting them in cryogenic freeze. This is why I attempted to contact the Harvester in Omega 15, and was disappointed that you got there first. Let me just say, the Harvesters have made an enemy they will regret.
I would like your cooperation in locating and rescuing these Corsairs if they are still alive and well. Unfortunately, the position of the Kappa Jumphole in Gamma is such that it is a near-blindspot to our orbiting information gathering satellites. Plus the fact that any Outcast or allied attacks will disrupt the satellites to a degree, meaning they may have already bypassed our defenses without our knowledge. I am going to direct any Corsair that downs a Harvester to gather anything left behind and transport it to either Omega 49, or a transport headed to there. I will attempt to gather as much information as possible, but again it will be sketchy at best.
// End Transmission.
"The thirteen saloons that had lined the one street of Seney had not left a trace. The foundations of the Mansion House hotel stuck up above the ground. The stone was chipped and split by the fire. It was all that was left of the town of Seney. Even the surface had been burned off the ground.
Nick looked at the burned-over stretch of hillside, where he had expected to find the scattered houses of the town and then walked down the railroad track to the bridge over the river. The river was there."
----Incoming Transmission---------
To: Disscussing parties
ID: Commandante of the BF, Don Carlos Benitez.
Source: The Battleship Talos, Crete orbit.
Aurelia Silvan, It is my understanding, that under Zoner law, both Outcasts, Corsairs and Bounty Hunters are welcome in Omicron Theta. These three parties are inevitably going to fight while in your space as long as they are welcome there. ((//dictated by server rules. In good RP a Corsair cannot simply fly by an Outcast. In old days, Bulldognk would crucify you for it)).
You admit that you treat the Brotherhood as enemies. In my previous message I clearly stated that we would stand by our brethren. To put it plainly, to make an enemy of the Brotherhood is to make an enemy of the Corsair nation, and thus you have no right to call yourself neutral.