(04-07-2014, 06:27 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: thats a failed marketing, on the one hand they stand for the civilian population, but on the other they support their hunters. Perhaps where I come from, our black and white zones are different - you cannot raise that arguement when you admit having an ally whos agenda is completely opposite to what you claim to represent. So is it in a HF's place to tell a xeno to shove it whenever he attempts to hijack a civilian, or would they simply go away.? Either case, HF doesn't care about the civilians - because HF won't say that to the xeno. So while HF do not hunt civilians, its wrong to tell they stand for them. Their "care" for the civilian population isnt "glowing" when you have such a faction in your friend list.
Yes hellfire do not attack civilians, but given these facts - they also dont care about them.
Oh but we do Tel. As a matter of fact from what I know, HF works with a lot of civilian corporations still today. Sense I don't see anyone calming down really here, I'll try to explain for a moment Tel. Many liberty corporations or freelancers/civilians have helped the HF before, I've been around for to long and never once paid attention of HF much but even I know they used the civilians to get what they needed done. They greatly care for the Civilians of Liberty for the fact they need them to over throw the Liberty Government, given the fact that one fleet cant do it, yes a whole civilian population is needed.
However I'm going to say something on the alliance to the GRN thing, this is coming from my own point of view mind you, and not the HF's.
The Royal navy wishes to conquer Liberty and take it fully over like they did with Leeds, that is not what the HF want, the HF want to over throw the government and naval command and replace it with their own while mean time quelling the fighting between all pirate factions and the navy. Gallia does not care for any of that, as a matter of fact, Gallia cares for no one but themselves normally.
After talking it over with another faction leader about it, we came so many dead end problems with an alliance between GRN and HF then we did with solutions; most ranging from full destruction of HF, wiping out of our fleets and even GRN integrating HF into their fleet. I won't deny the fact it might sound like a good idea but before rushing into something that might turn bad, why don't the D-W talk it over with the HF fleet. Because two heads are better then one and no offence to the D-W at all but you've made some big mistakes in the past that others remember, kinda like the ZA did however even they are trying to kick it in the behind and fix it all. What I'm saying is, before the D-W jump on the bandwaggon of trying to ally with the GRN, try to talk it over with all over HF parties, that includes independents, faction people and even exiled soldiers to see what you can do to make it happen.
Oh and some questions I felt I wanted to ask before posting was this:
Quote:1: Where does the D-W stand in relation all civilian parties (that includes corps of all houses)
2: Where does the D-W stand in relation with the Liberty Rogues, Lane Hackers, Outcasts and other Liberty unlawful's?
3: Where does the D-W stand in relation to the Colonial Republic? (Indies included)
4: Where does the D-W stand on relation with Zoners?
5: Where does the D-W stand on relations with Freelancer Merc's/Pirate Merc's?
6: Whats the current member ranking list (if any, if none leave blank)
7: Who is first, second, third and fourth in command of the D-W?
8: Who is the D-W fleet leader?
9: What is the D-W take on smuggling? (I mean illegal cargo, not just normal stuff)
10: What is the D-W take on nomads/k'hara?
11: What is the D-W take on those related to the nomads? (das wilde, etc...)
12: What is the D-W take the Order?
13: What is the D-W take on the Corsairs?
14: What is the D-W take on the IMG?
15: What is the D-W take on Gallia as a whole?
Let me clerify, HF do not hunt civilians however they discard them when xenos are involved. So, incase you missed the debate - xenos are in the picture. As for your questions, youll have to direct them to the leader.
look as i stated and this is where it needs to be understood, because people are assuming an alliance...its not an alliance..its about cash! As for civilian corps and freelancer's in liberty. Freelancer's we can deal with but the corp's such as USI made it clear their stance. When i saw HF on the bounty boards then even now after it was removed and the rp we have had with them...they seem to be brainwashed into believing Liberty propganda. This i have to repeat once again about the GRN is about trade!!!!! Ill say again TRADE!!! Not military alliance.
EDIT: Look as for HFF, try talking to them and getting a response at times is like trying to get blood out of a stone...who is their leadership? who makes up their council? I dont know because...unlike myself they havent made it clear. I would want to work with them but its hard work if you dont know who, what or where to go!
(04-07-2014, 07:08 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Let me clerify, HF do not hunt civilians however they discard them when xenos are involved. So, incase you missed the debate - xenos are in the picture. As for your questions, youll have to direct them to the leader.
This is also false, when ever Xeno's pirated or shot civilians in front of us we did not engage, and they knew that we wouldn't - Evo can attest to this as well as older HF members.
As for the caps, no explanation for them is needed, they still exist but due to a technicality in the ID they obviously cannot be used.
Our leadership is clearly defined on our faction information page, but incase you don't feel like heading there I'll save you the time: Core_One and myself are the first and second commands of the faction respectively.
(04-07-2014, 07:08 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Let me clerify, HF do not hunt civilians however they discard them when xenos are involved. So, incase you missed the debate - xenos are in the picture. As for your questions, youll have to direct them to the leader.
This is also false, when ever Xeno's pirated or shot civilians in front of us we did not engage, and they knew that we wouldn't - Evo can attest to this as well as older HF members.
As for the caps, no explanation for them is needed, they still exist but due to a technicality in the ID they obviously cannot be used.
Again, you didnt understand that line. I personaly will not attack anything if I confront a xeno hijacking a civilian, however - if the civilian asks me for some help, i mean comeone, HF are for the people right? - What can I do except sit there and let the xeno do his thing'. Thats the paradox im talking about, and therefore I come to the conclusion that hf may not hunt civilians, but they are not their "friends" or anything like that - I consider that as propoganda to fool them into thinking were in favour. And with this Id like to end this arguement, this is how I personaly view the situatation when I use a HF character.
Soooo, Corsairs are native to Liberty then? Since when?
Corsairs provide us with a necessary means to acquire income so that we may stop the large-scale trading that goes on between Liberty and the other houses. This really isn't an XA feedback thread though, so if you want to continue this feel free to drop in there.
By the way, the XA/HF alliance is basically in terms of fighting LN. They don't assist us with killing or enforcing our beliefs, nor do they interfere. Foreigners aren't HF's concern, as for Libertonian civilians.. Well, we ask them to drop their cargo. That's a small price to pay. It's not like we're openly massacring Libertonians at every opportunity, so I don't see why HF would have a problem with it. Any Libertonian deaths are a result of stupidity, greed or trying to enforce the political agenda of the corrupt regime.
(04-07-2014, 07:10 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Freelancer's we can deal with but the corp's such as USI made it clear their stance. When i saw HF on the bounty boards then even now after it was removed and the rp we have had with them...they seem to be brainwashed into believing Liberty propganda.
just as planned XD
(04-07-2014, 07:10 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: This i have to repeat once again about the GRN is about trade!!!!! Ill say again TRADE!!! Not military alliance.
since when is GRN, in any way, a trade faction?
(01-10-2015, 02:13 PM)Haste Wrote: It's not every day that I read about Somali pirates pirating a US navy aircraft carrier in their speedboats.
(04-07-2014, 06:55 PM)Shizune Wrote: 1.Where does the D-W stand in relation all civilian parties (that includes corps of all houses)
2: Where does the D-W stand in relation with the Liberty Rogues, Lane Hackers, Outcasts and other Liberty unlawful's?
3: Where does the D-W stand in relation to the Colonial Republic? (Indies included)
4: Where does the D-W stand on relation with Zoners?
5: Where does the D-W stand on relations with Freelancer Merc's/Pirate Merc's?
6: Whats the current member ranking list (if any, if none leave blank)
7: Who is first, second, third and fourth in command of the D-W?
8: Who is the D-W fleet leader?
9: What is the D-W take on smuggling? (I mean illegal cargo, not just normal stuff)
10: What is the D-W take on nomads/k'hara?
11: What is the D-W take on those related to the nomads? (das wilde, etc...)
12: What is the D-W take the Order?
13: What is the D-W take on the Corsairs?
14: What is the D-W take on the IMG?
15: What is the D-W take on Gallia as a whole?
As were new and i dont think you have read page one...of our Lore!
Look if i had more rp with the Order then i could answer afew questions i.e. 10-12
Most of those questions you asked are on page ONE! Please read it! As for the rest let me get rp done! If you can find away of me doing a quick mass fix rp with every corp/organization/house/pirate/terrorist/freelancer group out there im all ear's!
EDIT: I alos forgot the Nomad's and wildes sorry guys didnt mean to leave you out....anyone else iv missed im sorry.
(04-07-2014, 07:10 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Freelancer's we can deal with but the corp's such as USI made it clear their stance. When i saw HF on the bounty boards then even now after it was removed and the rp we have had with them...they seem to be brainwashed into believing Liberty propganda.
just as planned XD
(04-07-2014, 07:10 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: This i have to repeat once again about the GRN is about trade!!!!! Ill say again TRADE!!! Not military alliance.
since when is GRN, in any way, a trade faction?
GRN arnt, but everyone is looking at comm's and saying their allying with GRN lol Thankyou for making the point for me
EDIT:The comms was directed at the Kingdom of Gallia not the GRN
EDIT2: Astraea lol sorry you planned to get yourselves on the bounty board? it wasnt D-W it was HF tag on their hit list
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