The Etherium - Phase 1

[|nfrared]

I guess the point I was trying to make was that they wouldn't be any more suspicious that a Freelancer mining ship. From the Outcast perspective that may indeed be suspicious, but the other side of this is that the Etherium are ill-experience in terms of human culture and would have to discover this for themselves.

I'm not expecting regular incursions into Outcast controlled or Corsair controlled systems, and cannot think of a scenario where we would do that for any other reason than to possibly observe human behaviours, but there is nothing to outright prevent it either.

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Shard - The Faceless One

[Divine]

Be advised that if you encounter a Nomad, said Nomad will discover your true nature. You cannot hide your non-human state from them.

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[|nfrared]

I cannot see how you came to that conclusion. Seeing how the pilots will indeed be human, please indulge me as to how they can do this. While I understand that nomads are superintellegent beings themselves and are able to tamper with humans mentally to a certain extent, how they will determine that its a completely new and previously unencountered race controlling these braindead pilots using unknown technology and be able to come to the conclusion that the Etherium are responsible without any other information is of great interest to me.

I don't see how this omnipotent knowledge could be garnered by any other method than metagaming.

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Shard - The Faceless One

[Remnant]

I'd like to get a few things straight, if I am understanding what is written correctly.

Your 'pilots' are to be actual humans, and not the Etherium themselves? Or is it the other way around, where as you will have no humans within the ranks whatsoever (As this fits slightly better with the information I have seen written out so far)

Your words about the Nomads not being able to tell that these 'people' are different locks down quite a bit of options.

Nomads are able to speak to people through filtering down their 'words' with the other nomads, shoving it into a funnel, which is then inserted so to say in the human head where it's slightly garbled. (Thus the nomspeak) -- Excuse the image, however it's the best way of explaining it.

It wouldn't be difficult at all to tell something is different in the heads of these 'people' which the Nomads would recognize quite quickly. There is no real hiding. The only way to keep the silence, would to use actual human beings. I see you've mentioned that, with the means of causing them to be 'brain-dead' and controlling them that way.

Taking this from a look of more in-depth lore, one doesn't really just cause someone to be brain-dead without leaving traces. For example, a heavy blow to the head. Physical brain-dead. (Mind you that blow would need to be quite heavy)

This 'technology' by the Etherium, perhaps can be accepted is very great. However there is nothing such as 'perfect' technology. The trace left in these people would be worked out very quickly by the Nomads themselves. After all, humans not thinking like humans isn't normal, hm? Writing it down to the Etherium perhaps won't be instant.

In fact, it indeed would most likely be seen as an unknown entity, as those who fought against the Etherium would not be exposed to the mindshare the Nomads of Sirius are enveloped in.

However you write down the abilities of the Nomads. An unknown is discovered one day. The rest isn't far from being worked out.

I would like to know more details on how you plan to do that specific notion to keep hidden.

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Alrighty, straying away from the Nomad side of things, general Etherium.

I feel that you're beginning to push slightly on the boundary of godlike technology. However this was compensated for their weakness and requirement of Iridium to stay alive in the first place.

Once more, I would like to know a little more on your technology capacities, and your prevention from things becoming too.. 'overpowered' for the Sirius universe.

The limits seem to balance things out quite a bit, the only other concerns I have will be done through RP when/if you get things rolling about in-game, and over the forums on a larger scale.

[|nfrared]

Present Day

The Etherium are in the process of adapting to their new surroundings. Unwilling to expose themselves and risk discovery, the Etherium are employing deception tactics by mimicing the designs of the human vessels they have found wrecked in initial forays and using suitably prepared humans by inducing braindeath via localised hypoxia. The host is then implanted with remote motor control nodes that regulate bodily functions, allowing the human to be completely manipulated. A tentative alliance is beginning to form between a recently discovered Artificial Intelligence entity known as the AI Consensus, a strategic coupling that may bring rise to the next power-alliance in Omicron space.

As everything has changed, I ask again that people actually read what is written instead of drawing conclusions on what they think they know based on what was previously posted. We are not knocking humans on the head.

We can't have Etherium pilots, because we have to use what ingame mechanics already exist. We are using the Miner ID. We have no IFF that suits the faction. Therefore we must have what is occuring ingame conform with what IFF and ID we can use. This limits things quite a bit, but also opens up some interesting possibilties.

It's one thing for the nomads to notice there is something strange about this group of humans, but I cannot see how they would have omnipotent knowledge of what was causing this strangeness. I don't see how that is an unfair request. I don't see how they could instantly come to the conclusion that it is the Etherium when they have never encountered them. How a small group of aliens possessing one POB and a handful of salvaged technology can be interpreted as overpowered is beyond me.

Basically what it is going to come down to is the participants of said encounters being able to control their capacity to metagame. Perhaps we should have just started RPing them ingame and left the writeup until later to remove that possibilty.

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Shard - The Faceless One

[Divine]

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I actually already said that the nomads would be able to see that something was strange, but would not have omnipotent knowledge of what was causing this strangeness. I don't see how that is an unfair request. I don't see how they could instantly come to the conclusion that it is the Etherium when they have never encountered them.
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First of all, stop shouting metagaming all around. Next thing is, as Moveit pointed out and the quote in your post above showed again, that the human pilots you'll use can be figured out by a Nomad to be not quite what a human should be like.
To this point, nobody knows more as that your pilots are not really humans capable of their own mind and will, and even this'll probably just be information to the Nomads until they decide to share that knowledge with others.
What will follow after this was discovered, is something to be found out inRP really.
What I mentioned first, and what Moveit tried to explain to you is, that your first Nomad encounter will likely be the one they'll find out about your manipulated pilots, and from that point on start to investigate what's behind that.
From there it's basically just a matter of time that you'll have to find an answer as to how you wish to proceed then with your RP.

That basically was all we pointed out. No need to feel shot at.

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[Remnant]

Alright, I can understand that. I assume however, this is merely information to start things off, as well as capacities of your own creation?

As long as you leave development within capacities set by the SIrius sector with Humans and Nomads alike, I do not see much problem with that.

Except of course the information of the technology I haven't really seen about

You put quite a bit of worry upon metagame. Understandible, although it seems like you're trying a little too hard to prevent things from happening. The Nomads see into the head. If the head is 'not' human, it's something else.

Guess what. If it's something else, you're going to have a tough time hiding. Granted the humans are a bit more numerous, thus a slight weakness on that end of things.

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* Remnant claps his hands together
Now! Back to constructive stuff.

Technology, implants, and the very life. Held together by Iridum, thus the mining you require. I do think that part was written down well.

However you're lacking information on how you actually go about getting your labor. You have it stated that it's just what happened. I assume this is something to be released at a later date?

You have quite a bit on 'what' is going on. But not really 'How' it's going on. That is something I would like to see more of.

[|nfrared]

Screw it, I've given up. The answers are actually there, but no one is bothering to read into it. The answer to their technology lies in in their previous thousands of years of utopian society in which any intellegent being would make huge progress in terms of their tech.

But as it is clear no one is actually reading what is there I've had enough. What remaining fun could have been salvaged out of this is now being picked apart in "what ifs". Instead of doing that, you could have just seen how the encounters and the rest of the forum stuff played out via actual RP instead of throwing your weight around. Sorry to threaten your huge empires with our little bit of fun.

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Shard - The Faceless One

[Remnant]

I am merely asking for extra details. The in-depth stuff.

I am very well aware that it exists, and why it exists. Yet there's nothing in-depth on the capacities of what you say have already. I am not complaining that it's very good technology. I am merely curious on the workings, and the extent in which they harbor. What limits have they reached, what have they not reached.

Please, you seem to be taking this as we are trying to ruin your idea here. That is not the case. I merely wish to know more on which you have NOT provided so far.

[Unlucky_Soul]

I'd like to get a few things straight, if I am understanding what is written correctly.

Your 'pilots' are to be actual humans, and not the Etherium themselves? Or is it the other way around, where as you will have no humans within the ranks whatsoever (As this fits slightly better with the information I have seen written out so far)

Your words about the Nomads not being able to tell that these 'people' are different locks down quite a bit of options.

Nomads are able to speak to people through filtering down their 'words' with the other nomads, shoving it into a funnel, which is then inserted so to say in the human head where it's slightly garbled. (Thus the nomspeak) -- Excuse the image, however it's the best way of explaining it.

It wouldn't be difficult at all to tell something is different in the heads of these 'people' which the Nomads would recognize quite quickly. There is no real hiding. The only way to keep the silence, would to use actual human beings. I see you've mentioned that, with the means of causing them to be 'brain-dead' and controlling them that way.

Taking this from a look of more in-depth lore, one doesn't really just cause someone to be brain-dead without leaving traces. For example, a heavy blow to the head. Physical brain-dead. (Mind you that blow would need to be quite heavy)

This 'technology' by the Etherium, perhaps can be accepted is very great. However there is nothing such as 'perfect' technology. The trace left in these people would be worked out very quickly by the Nomads themselves. After all, humans not thinking like humans isn't normal, hm? Writing it down to the Etherium perhaps won't be instant.

In fact, it indeed would most likely be seen as an unknown entity, as those who fought against the Etherium would not be exposed to the mindshare the Nomads of Sirius are enveloped in.

However you write down the abilities of the Nomads. An unknown is discovered one day. The rest isn't far from being worked out.

I would like to know more details on how you plan to do that specific notion to keep hidden.

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Alrighty, straying away from the Nomad side of things, general Etherium.

I feel that you're beginning to push slightly on the boundary of godlike technology. However this was compensated for their weakness and requirement of Iridium to stay alive in the first place.

Once more, I would like to know a little more on your technology capacities, and your prevention from things becoming too.. 'overpowered' for the Sirius universe.

The limits seem to balance things out quite a bit, the only other concerns I have will be done through RP when/if you get things rolling about in-game, and over the forums on a larger scale.

Think of it this way. The spinal cord is what transmit signals from our brain to the rest of the body. Think of it as a road. Now imagine if the road was diverted.Get my Drift.

The host brain is still alive. But its an entity on its own. The rest is controlled by the Etherium. He would sense what the host body senses i.e Touch, sight, taste, smell and hear.

From my understanding, Nomads of Sirrius would have never ever encountered the Etherium before. But as you rightfully pointed out "This 'technology' by the Etherium, perhaps can be accepted is very great. However there is nothing such as 'perfect' technology. The trace left in these people would be worked out very quickly by the Nomads themselves. After all, humans not thinking like humans isn't normal, hm? Writing it down to the Etherium perhaps won't be instant."
Yes this is a possibility, but you have to remember Etherium would be taking a big risk exposing themselves not only to the nomads but also to the rest of the humans.

One question though, would the nomads be able to read the implants signals to the Etherium safe somewhere, where the host brain is dead sort of way?What if the implant could mimic the host brain waves so that nomads can sense it so that it doesn't give away the whole guise?

Remember Etherium have already encountered the nomads before. Sirrius Nomads haven't. Etherium would.. i believe take all measures to keep their guise up especially from an alien species that have decimated their homeworld, including masking their ability of controlling their humans.

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