(05-28-2014, 10:19 PM)Omicron Wrote: The Order would deffinately side with Blood Dragons and initially focus on northern Kusari - most notably Tohoku which awfuly is missing from your list. Removal of both Nomads and KNF would be their objective.
Lest we forget that every conflict in Sirius is really about the Nomads and the Order.
Let's not forget Tekagi's Arch is Imperials fault at attacking The Order that were doing something about it ^^
(05-28-2014, 10:19 PM)Omicron Wrote: The Order would deffinately side with Blood Dragons and initially focus on northern Kusari - most notably Tohoku which awfuly is missing from your list. Removal of both Nomads and KNF would be their objective.
Lest we forget that every conflict in Sirius is really about the Nomads and the Order.
Ah, I think you missed the point that the Order would take the Kusari civil war for their own goals regarding the Arch in Tohoku. An opportunity that is not given with the Naval forces being present in the system. So it makes sense that the Order helps the Blood Dragons.
@Peregrine: Well described and an interesting concept that Kusari really needs right now. It could be used for a huge amount of events. That is if people are willing to do so.
A Kusari civil war would affect the entire periphery. Directly and otherwise.
Order? They want to make squid sushi and exterminatus whatever baka-wilds exist.
Haxxers and Rogs? Any chaos around Gallileo/Kepler is good for them.
Corsairs? If GMG is nvolved in a conventional conflict somewhere, then they can't devote quite so much security to the other end of their domain, can they?
(05-28-2014, 10:19 PM)Omicron Wrote: The Order would deffinately side with Blood Dragons and initially focus on northern Kusari - most notably Tohoku which awfuly is missing from your list. Removal of both Nomads and KNF would be their objective.
I disagree with Kishiro siding with GMG or BD in Zelot's plan. They just turned into another copy of Samura. I believe they would be the power behind KNF & KSP, while Samura secretly aids the "Emphra". GMG naturally with BD side.
Yes, I have accidentally disregarded the Tohoku system and the Order/Aoi side of things. It's true that the KNF has several forces there (a battleship representing them), and that those would have to move somewhere with the front lines changing behind them (I don't know how to consider Hiroshima in the equation, is it a valid avenue for KNF into Tohoku?).
I have considered having the Aoi acting freely as they wished in causing mayhem in the whole Kusari, but the Dragons/Order partnership can't be ignored. Not sure of the KNF can handle this 4th front, but we can surely have the Order operating inside Kusari behind the Dragon's lines and in the Tohoku front.
Perhaps the Imperials know of some secret in Tekagi arch which could boost their victory chances, and Tohoku is a secondary objective for them too (a very remote one)?
I guess Junkers could get involved, though in my eyes they'd simply by anarchists who are in it for the potential profits and don't have to think twice when it comes to watching Kusari burn. If anything, they would just stick with GC, whilst trying to make as much profit from the chaos as possible.
Though, I think I remember Congress having RP with the exiles? I can't speak for the Congress, though they might get involved with the exiles.
But yeah, generally I'd love to see this. I really enjoyed how during JMs earlier days Kusari got pretty active, it was great. I'm missing that fun and would like to see it again as soon as possible.
Tohoku would fall behind Dragon lines (Okinawa, Hokkaido). I guess it wouldn't be a central piece in the Civil war, but The Order could use the opportunity to press on the Arch unhindered from the Navy efforts. Could be another reason for a weak point in the Dragons side, as Zelot said I was making them overachieving with their current resources. GMG transports and some lent Order vessels bolstering their ranks could make them seem more stronger.
Order focus should be the Arch, and unless there comes a time of widely known nomad infestation in one of the faction, would probably keep themselves out of the frontlines.
The Junkers are trully a... concern . Their presence in the Taus is strong, and I feel this is an opportunity to enter the Kusari market they would not pass. I have heard that some groups in Kusari would be willing to get junker cooperation on their side, in detriment of the Hogosha (man, will they need to run a lot in this situation, to keep their stuff).
Will update the first post with some added info from the feedback.
I would like to hear about the more completed version of Zelot's scenario, as so as he can.
Wow that is just a really great job. No matter what happens you earn a big kudos WPeregrine.
I understand why some will disagree with this scenario, but if there is something capable of revive Kusary this is. Of course Galia will step in, of course that Galia is an importat part off almost everything that happens now. THAT IS part of the attractive of this. But they will have to chose betwen help his ally with a full fleet and compromise Bretonia or just give weapons to the Republic. Besides they have plenty of reasons to underestimate the Exiles in rollplay. What the GRN players think?
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Quote:The idea of almost a three way civil war seems a bit more likely, with the Dragons being able to take Honshu and controlling Chugoku and maybe something else out there, while the Exiles return and take control of Kyushu and Hokkido, and the current government holds onto New Tokyo and Shikoku. The Exiles with the support of Samura try and stop the Gallic trade coming from the Taus (or maybe a new route through a realigned Rishi as suggested in the other thread) creating problems for the central government backed by Kishiro, while the Dragons go after the shipping and what not coming in from Rhienland to create more dependence on the GMG for supplies for the central government. Both of these put pressure on the government, while at the same time both of those forces are fighting each other for more power and control, as well as the government fighting both of those groups to reestablish it's authority.
It would sort of break down like this.
Exiles, FA, Samura - Kyushu and Hokkido
KNF, KSP, Kishiro - New Tokyo and Shikoku
BD, GC, GMG - Chugoku, Honshu and Okinawa
The Hogosha would likely try and play all sides toward the middle, using the opportunity to make friends with as many of those groups as possible, probably more the government and the Exiles, less with the Dragons, and to expand their smuggling operations and business in the chaos.
The bases from Tau42 could be moved into Kyushu as planned, the Samura bases in New Tokyo and SHikoku could be changed to Kishro control, the Samura and Kishiro bases in Honshu could be given over to Dragon and GMG control, and the Kishiro base in Tau29 could be given over to Samura control. Each group would have a shipyard, industrial stations and a planet that they control, the Hogosha would maintain Tottori and their bases in all three places. Tau 42 gets removed completely, and probably so should the BD guard system, while the GC guard system connection gets removed from Hokkido and moved to Honshu or Chugoku.
This would leave each of the three groups with not enough strength to push to other two out, nor with enough power to back down from the fight and assure themselves power.
Also as Joe pointed out to us, that the only thing a Kusari hates more than other Kusari are outsiders in Kusari, which would be a real deterant to any other house thinking about coming into Kusari to take over as all three sides would likely attack them, forming a formidable yet non-unified force to protect Kusari from foreign invasion.