The end of zonerzonerzoner - Rewrite the Zoner ID

[Zen_Mechanics]

The very Idea that people such as lyth are so puzzled by the danger of free-caps to free-people is why I'll never ever vote for him. He did not stop for a moment before he made a ZA comment, so I thought I should pay some tribute back.

It's because of ZA that such a thread like this exists. It's impossible for me to ignore the lolwuttery of ZA: I find it all over my Skype chats, there have been meme made out of them and even you bring it up sometimes yourself. I'm not making personal attacks here, that's not the kind it thing I like to do, however it's very hard to take you seriously as thanks to ZA your points have next to no credibility.

He is well known to reject things, you can only judge that with the amount of "delete that, delete this" threads he keep bringing up.

Am I a fool for speaking my opinion about a matter? Does it make me an idiot, a child, or a lesser individual to simply speak my mind about a flaw, inconsistency or error within the mod? I'd rather be a fool for speaking my opinion, rather than stay silent and never be heard.

No, you are not a foo, or any of the latter. But as you excpet others to understand you, and I do understand you, you need to be open-minded on other peoples opinions. And opinions are just opinions, the bald truth is - this is not hell broken loose. This is a subject that has always been dealt with INRP, without any intervention and without any changes. If you can't find the way to rp/shoot/etc a zoner cap while holding a police officer Id, then you are not qualified to say anything in this subject.

You cant ask the admins in reverse language, " I don't want them here because it doesnt make sense " - Your character doesnt have double oorp standards, If you see a cap - you rp - end of story. What you think about the situation as a real person is one thing, but asking your personal stuff to be subjected on others is another thing.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[SnakThree]

Zen, then my question is how is LH~ relevant here in the first place? If you do not have an answer for your reasoning, then don't bother mentioning LH~ untill you do have a reason to do so.

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[Tonto1911]

Zen, you are not the Zoner spokesperson so stop attempting to be. Lyth's suggestion makes sense and would end just about all the abuse we see with Zoner ships. It isn't an isolated thing, it's been a rampant problem for years. Just yesterday I watched a Whale undock in House space loaded with cargo, and a Corvo show up to escort him. Stop getting hostile with people every time the word Zoner comes up, you've proven you barley know anything about the role you champion(wrongly) for.

[Lythrilux]

The very Idea that people such as lyth are so puzzled by the danger of free-caps to free-people is why I'll never ever vote for him. He did not stop for a moment before he made a ZA comment, so I thought I should pay some tribute back.

It's because of ZA that such a thread like this exists. It's impossible for me to ignore the lolwuttery of ZA: I find it all over my Skype chats, there have been meme made out of them and even you bring it up sometimes yourself. I'm not making personal attacks here, that's not the kind it thing I like to do, however it's very hard to take you seriously as thanks to ZA your points have next to no credibility.

He is well known to reject things, you can only judge that with the amount of "delete that, delete this" threads he keep bringing up.

Am I a fool for speaking my opinion about a matter? Does it make me an idiot, a child, or a lesser individual to simply speak my mind about a flaw, inconsistency or error within the mod? I'd rather be a fool for speaking my opinion, rather than stay silent and never be heard.

No, you are not a foo, or any of the latter. But as you excpet others to understand you, and I do understand you, you need to be open-minded on other peoples opinions. And opinions are just opinions, the bald truth is - this is not hell broken loose. This is a subject that has always been dealt with INRP, without any intervention and without any changes. If you can't find the way to rp/shoot/etc a zoner cap while holding a police officer Id, then you are not qualified to say anything in this subject.

My RP with Zoner caps in Liberty:
LPIthrilux: Hey! You're a Zoner cap! Aren't you meant to be in the edge world's where you belong? There's more to explore out there that here. Oh well, you're breaking the law having that ship here so it's time to pay a fine...
... *Blue message*
This process is silly and I am suggesting this suggestion based on the two points I highlighted in that scenario.

You cant ask the admins in reverse language, " I don't want them here because it doesnt make sense " - Your character doesnt have double oorp standards, If you see a cap - you rp - end of story. What you think about the situation as a real person is one thing, but asking your personal stuff to be subjected on others is another thing.

That doesn't justify it at all. That's like saying if I see a player going around penny massacring newbies I shouldn't bother reporting it and I should roll along with it.

What kind of standards are we trying to set here?

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[lIceColon]

You know what? Screw this.
Everyone should have the freedom to play how they want to.
Stop bringing in new rules trying to limit other's enjoyment of the game, because contrary to your opinion, powertraders don't hurt anyone - they help the Disco economy by earning spacebucks to fund their other roleplay, you just don't like other people finding more efficient means of funding their cap8s than you did. Besides, if they are silent, either find a reason to shoot them and ruin their day or just ignore them like you do npcs.
Zoners - not just zoners but everybody should be able to go whereever they want, and the only consequences that should happen are inRP consequences , not this oorp limiting.

lolwut caps are not due to zoners who are fictional characters, but the lolwut players who play them, and instead of limiting zoners maybe you should remove all disco players who aren't up to your par of elitist "RP" in a player screening, because us players we're not here to have fun, we're here to be judged and limited in our fun, yea. Sure a zoner cap in house space is unbelievable, but so are your elitist "fair fight" duels and the fact that 800 years into the future and there still isn't complete human unity and universal peace yet.

If a zoner cap engages the navy in alaska, whose to say that is an impossible event? Whose to say it isn't a capital ship crowd funded by rich idiots who are dumb enough to violate liberty laws? It certainly is possible in real life, if rich southern secessionists build up a mini war machine in secret and they trespess on the US military grounds, it is a possible event despite it being incredibly stupid, but are we not allowed to rp incredibly stupid people? And the only consequence that should happen, is not to limit this possibility but to serve the only logical consequence there is: the destruction of that ship and that's it. If the particular player wants to be stupid, he should be allowed to after the reengagement rule wears off.

Let's say that 1/20 zoners are (inrp) stupid. That does not mean the playerbase has to be distributed that way, in fact the player base has never been distributed according to inrp porportions, so even though you might often encounter stupid zoners, it is not and should not be representative of the inrp zoner population. All your supposed evidence might be representative of the player base, but not of zoners.

I hate factionlancer, I hate that the rules are more and more oriented towards limiting people towards a archetypical roleplay rather than the individuality that some players want. I'm not gonna work for my enjoyment because I already do that in real life. I fly my ship how I want to with my inrp justifications, you don't have enough evidence against me.

INRP exclusiveness should not translate to OORP exclusiveness.

This ID change gets a big, juicy NOPE.

[Exploration]

I actually agree with Lyth on this one. It would make sense as far as RP is concerned, and since most of us (Including myself) use Zoner ships to roleplay. Example being my old Juggernaut I used as a Solar Runner Character. That was purely for Roleplay purposes. Personally, if I had my own way. Zoner Carriers/Juggernauts wouldn't have Capital ship turrets.

Back to topic, I think this would encourage more people to roleplay in borderworlds rather than just power trade. It would also stop people flying the limited Zoner Capitals they actually have from flying into house space where they have no reason to be in the first place - basically I agree with this. I'd be glad to see this happen.

And Zen, you'll find more people agreeing to this change than arguing with it. It's not ZA related, though you think it to be. Even though it will probably affect you. What possible purpose, would a Juggernaut or Carrier, have in say, Liberty Space. None. Absolutely none. You shouldn't be anyplace near house space with a ship that was designed for edge worlds or -Deep space exploration-. Imagine that.

[lIceColon]

Come on guys "designed for omicrons" honestly, don't you think a ship made for the deep space exploration would be able to handle shallow space exploration as well?

Zoner caps should be allowed in house space because as for as the houses (should be) concerned, its just a really well armed liner. Maybe laws could require the ships to reduce some defensive measures as a sign of peace, but banning their prescence all together oorp-ly is just wrong.

Besides, I don't wanna join an official faction just if I wanna occasionally jump or fly my indie into house space, whose to say zoners aren't occasionally interested in occasional visits to house space and visits to house planets and observe house nebulaes etc?

[Savas]

Come on guys "designed for omicrons" honestly, don't you think a ship made for the deep space exploration would be able to handle shallow space exploration as well?

Zoner caps should be allowed in house space because as for as the houses (should be) concerned, its just a really well armed liner. Maybe laws could require the ships to reduce some defensive measures as a sign of peace, but banning their prescence all together oorp-ly is just wrong.

Besides, I don't wanna join an official faction just if I wanna occasionally jump or fly my indie into house space, whose to say zoners aren't occasionally interested in occasional visits to house space and visits to house planets and observe house nebulaes etc?

I'd like to preface this by saying I am usually against any sort of measures to limit the player's ability to make choices, aka compats.

But considering the amount of damage battleship guns can do to things iRP, and the strong armor value of the Nephilim, the Houses that govern their respective space are entirely justified in not permitting them there. Perhaps a Nephy should be able to travel through house space if it chooses to eschew its guns and stay away from trade lanes while traveling through. Otherwise, no sane government iRP would allow them in their territory.

You want to see a pretty house nebula? Get a different ship.

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[SnakThree]

Zoner caps should be allowed in house space because as for as the houses (should be) concerned, its just a really well armed liner.

Zoner Liners would be actual Liners, not battleships with more firepower than Navy's own battleship.

I don't see many Zoner Corvos, which are actually Deep Space Exploration vessels by the inforcard. Actually, I saw only two so far. One who engaged me because of revenge. And another who was writing symbols into local. Much RP.

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[Sabru]

a really well armed liner.

if by "well armed" you mean enough firepower and armor to rival the biggest things in house navy arsenals, then sure its just a misunderstood really well armed liner.

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