(07-27-2014, 10:43 PM)Omicron Wrote: Are we turning into internet version of soviet union? Sanctioning people without any sort of evidence? What is this place devolving into?
It's okay Vred, I just think this will be used for those with some kind of influence to remove their enemies from this server on just slight non-provable propabiltiy that this someone might be "trolling".
(07-27-2014, 10:35 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: No need to get snippy. Think of it this way: we're all essentially invited guests at the host's playground. And if you're gonna start taking poops on the merry-go-round, then the host is within his right to kick you out of the playground. Is that a better metaphor for ya?
Wow, that's quite a funny analogy for the server xD.
Oh and as the saying goes:
Like it or Lump it.
That and if people are getting that upset about it nothing is forcing people to stay here.
Although the amount of trust people seem to have in the admin team seems abysmally low, what have these admins ever done to make people feel this way about them?
I for one am in favour this, it'll be nice to be able to get rid of nasty trolls that much quicker.
(07-27-2014, 09:40 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Those who don't want dictatorship seem to be delusional in that they apparently think this server is a democracy. It's not, nor has it ever been.
I'd say Politicaly it would be more like a Monarchy of sorts but that is besides the point
(07-27-2014, 10:43 PM)Omicron Wrote: Are we turning into internet version of soviet union? Sanctioning people without any sort of evidence? What is this place devolving into?
No, times are changing. With TS involved people can plan & Perform a action with little to no logs what so ever. This seems to be the Admins way of combating this and I for one agree.
(07-27-2014, 10:47 PM)Omicron Wrote: It's okay Vred, I just think this will be used for those with some kind of influence to remove their enemies from this server on just slight non-provable probability that this someone might be "trolling".
I would like to make a suggestion in reference to this. In order to prevent "Pocket Admineering" In order for ANY of the actions to go through in which there is minimal evidence. There must be a unanimous vote among the admins and if it ends in Tie ( Not sure if there is an even number of admins) then a moderator ( picked from the list say going in Alphabetical order by forum name) will cast the deciding vote
I personally think that that will make it as fair as possible
(07-27-2014, 10:47 PM)Omicron Wrote: It's okay Vred, I just think this will be used for those with some kind of influence to remove their enemies from this server on just slight non-provable propabiltiy that this someone might be "trolling".
I should find a copy the rules 2 years back. I think I might have a copy. So that every new player can look at the old and then the new rules. Not the rules themselves, but the count itself.
And apparently someone does not understand what TROLLING is. I might explain. the rule that forbids people to troll is in fact forbids people to harass, post offensive pictures and posts, be rude to the members of the community, abuse the game with intention of ruining the other side's fun.
Now Trolling means to make a person look stupid with something he said all by himself. Not in a rude way not in any offensive way. Effective trolling is when you make someone look stupid because of some dumb thing he said. And you make it in a way that he will never understand, but others might.
The rule is not about trolling, the rule is about forum fail-troll jerks that think that they are effective trolls.
The only effective trolls in the whole community by my opinion is Doge and maybe a couple of others which I saw occasionally. Now if you find something, anything to Ban Dodge for, than I (And I am sure some of you share this opinion as well) have no reason to play this game of rules, bans and sanctions.
(07-27-2014, 09:26 PM)Zayne Carrick Wrote: For example, I will probably log my hessian char each time I see [RM]-tagged char online in order to interact and try to kill it. Does it mean I have ooRP hatred towards faction? Or that I'm violating rule 1.2?
No, that's pretty normal. It's problematic if you're specifically logging different ships just to harass an individual player (just as it's always been). Usually this descends into pure oorp-ness, but it may not necessarily.
Overall, this announcement is not about anything new, it is about an exploration of how things are because people have wanted more transparency, among other things.
If you have specific concerns, there are plenty of people to speak to about them.
(07-27-2014, 08:27 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote: We have lost valuable members of the community as a result of these individuals. Long time veterans have gotten frustrated at seeing these tactics go unpunished, and have either quit, or started acting out their frustrations in game and on the forums. The Staff has no desire to see this pattern play out any longer. We value those who have spent years contributing to this server and we are not going to allow a few to poison the fun of the majority.
You may find that a great many of these individuals have little will to contribute. This is for many reasons... One is the reason you mentioned in your post, and the other is that those to whom this would be most applicable, have long since moved on with their gaming lives.
(07-27-2014, 08:55 PM)sindroms Wrote: I will however suggest restraint. Not only the quote above is already abusable by the players you have described as baiters, but also it could lead to an overall feel of a sword dangling over everyone's heads. I would, for example, not want Disco to become a fascistic dictatorship, where might means right.
The question here is what one might regard as the more tyrannical behaviour:
- The rule of disruptive players being able to create an environment in which reasonable and cooperative players are unable to stand the culture created, while the accountable authority only enforces the letter of the law.
- The spirit of the law judgement of a more legitimate authority.
The first is nearly always awful (except in very small communities where there is already a universally agreed ethos and code of behaviour which extends beyond any written rulebook). The second is only awful if that more legitimate authority is incompetant, uncaring or downright intentionally nasty. Unfortunately there are a great many authorities in the world which fit into those catagories.
(07-27-2014, 10:35 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Think of it this way: we're all essentially invited guests at the host's playground. And if you're gonna start taking poops on the merry-go-round, then the host is within his right to kick you out of the playground.
Basically this. Although I would have phrased it rather differently.
The players are guests in the host's house. If the host asks the guest to take their shoes off at the door, the guests can either take their shoes off, or leave if they don't wish to remove their shoes. It's really not cool for the guest to throw their shoes at the host's face and call the host a fascist, before breaking all the stuff in the host's house.