Of Hosts and Guests

[Ultima]

When hosts start gagging people for no real reason, that is when I will be leaving...

Depending on if you count them hating to be proven wrong a real reason or not, you should have left a long time ago then. I also don't think that the threat of *gasp* you leaving is anything anyone would really see as a real threat, but rather see it as you doing exactly what they wanted (especially the people who gag you).

Wait... you made a funny, right?

Firstly, there are actually a lot of people that one may like to interact with here, apart from the host and the bullies, who deliver their part of the deal although others including the host don't, because they believe the fake contract that they were lured here with actually would be a good way of playing, even if the bullies and the host don't live up to it.

Maybe, but those other guests are also not the host...so the point is meaningless in terms of their actual power. You're still guest of the host, and thus, subject to the host's rules....not the other guests' shared values.

You sound like the only reason one would have to talk or interact with anyone in a positive way would be because they had power. I interact with people positively because they haven't done anything to deserver otherwise, and because I enjoy it. Possibly that's the main difference between you and me, and between me and some other people that I had disagreements with and to whom my motivations and actions seem to be a total incomprehensible mystery.

Second, its actually pretty easy to avoid the bullies if you know how and you know who they are and how they operate, and it's still possible to have fun if you do.

Then it should be equally easy to shut-up and play the game without be-moaning your imagined slights in front of the whole party. Enjoy the party and avoid the bullies. Don't come on the forums and decry the injustices and incompetence of the host (and then whine when they ban you for being an instigator and trouble-maker)

Oh but it is easy to shut up. I just prefer not to. I never whined that they banned me, actually I always more or less expected to be banned for opening my mouth before I got banned for it, from the first time to the last. I just always felt that getting banned was not as bad as it would have been for me to shut up for reasons moral, practical, and concerning my own and other people's enjoyment. If you'd read my posts you'd see that I don't "whine" about me getting banned, but about other people (mainly admin-approved bullies) not even getting a warnings and not even being told "don't do that, it's against the rules, and it's not nice", or about the same people getting official and unofficial privileges (more engagement and docking rights, OP gear, and imunity to pretty much any rule).

Thirdly, unlike what you say, the whining and pissing actually doesn't negatively affect the people who aren't bullies and who aren't hosts that support them. It only negatively affects the bullies and the hosts who support them.

It negatively affects me, often when I'm not even involved....and I can't imagine I'm the only one, so actually it can and does affect others. Only selfish or childish guests would assume that its their feelings that matter the most, especially at someone else's party.

How does it negatively affect you, unless you do the stuff that I'm "whining" about?

As far as I know the only reason you're involved in this now is because you chose to. Or maybe I'm forgetting or overlooked something, and I've affected you negatively without knowing it. Remind me or show me how?

I don't think my feelings matter more than other people's, I just don't like the blatant disregard for other people's feelings that some people here have, are "allowed" to have, and are even encouraged to have, just because they think they can because they consider themselves "hosts" or friends of "hosts". But again, I wouldn't really talk about those particular people as "hosts", because it's mainly people who somehow gained influence without actually doing anything substantial for the general "guests". And even if they did, it wouldn't justify their disregard for other people's feelings, and the kind of "hosting" I described in the first post.

Fourth, having the feeling that you're fighting bullying of other people by people who bullied you can give you a great amount of personal satisfaction.

Yes, but your psycho-therapy sessions need not have to take place in public. Use PMs for that. Not everyone is interested in a public display of your personal satisfaction.

Why didnt you write me this in pms? Not everyone is interested in reading everything you write (I am tough, at least in this thread), but you still do it.

But to asnwer your question (which you would probably have answered the same way): If I though that PMs were any use I'd use them. But since the people that you'd probably like me to write them to don't care about any sort of morals or reasoning, but only care how they look in front of other people, their ability to mislead them to get or keep advantages for themselves, it's pretty useless. I did write pms sometimes, but generally those people would admit stuff and apologize in the hope to make me shut up, but do and say the exact opposite in public. Cause... all they care about is that the general public doesn't know about it so they can continue what they're doing.

If you think that its all about psycho-therapy for myself I guess everyone's entiteled to their opinion. I often have the impression that the unbelievable amount of egomania and superiority-complex that some people display over a small amount of pixel-power that they managed to achieve must also be a kind of psycho-therapy compensation for the lack of achievements in their real life. But hey, that's what role playing games are for.


To drag all this back to the subject of the thread:

Following your statements, you seem to think that if a host shows utter disregard for guests and only invites them to have have fun at their expense, the guests should show high regard to the host and just leave when they notice it, without trying to do anything about it. Thing is... doing that would not disturb the host's system and would be exaclty what he wants, because there are plenty more people that he can keep tricking to have fun at their expense. Its like... once you've been robbed, or scammed, or cheated... do you just walk away and do nothing, or do you try to make the people who did it accountable for their actions, by telling everyone about it? You say... walk away and do nothing, because he calls himself host, and no one forced people to fall for his scam. This seems to be the line of argumenation.