Quote:No I never seen Drrobe's Persephone with my own eyes, neither any of my Order dudes submitted any pictures of it to me INRP. I liked Zoners when they were not farming in Alaska/O-99, ignoring the fact that there are two individual groups with agenda including putting a violent halt to this activity. When Zoner ID stops being used for making such controvensial moves under supposed neutrality, you will find that there will be far less blue messages.
Unless - in your opinion - LNS should ignore Ageira ID'ed transports filled with cardamine heading straight for Manhattan mooring fixture. There are far wider possibilities for Zoner ID, yet we only frown on a single very specific venue in scientific career options available to you. I think unlimited access to glorified space tanks have gotten to your head by now.
I will give this thing a break for today, let [Star] sort it out internally. Order| is being notified of temporary state.
This is a wonderful example of poisoning the well. Having stepped on his sword, and rather than be a mature adult, he goes further by making us the villain in his clan's attack. The fact that he is in violent opposition to his faction's lore, ID and morals is being disregarded in a blatant attempt to make it look like they are "just doing our jobs."
Congratulations, you can join the Territorial Aggressive Zoners (TAZ) in not knowing how to play your character.
We all have an Angelic and a Demonic side. Use of them determines good or evil in the end.
Also, like everyone said, there's always something on this server that people are whining or complaining about. One minute it's about how a lone pirate couldn't kill a Salvager, another minute it's about the Order bullying Zoners.
Guys, stop complaining and do what you think is right, even if you find it harsh.
Being passive is good, but that doesn't mean you can't step up and do something about it.
Personally, lock this thread. It's another post about the same thing in LESS THAN 24 HOURS. If you are fed up with things, eat a sandwich, come back. It's not hard and the sandwich is tasty.
Regarding the Star Port thread which was closed, I will post it in here for a reason.
Garret Jax Wrote:The Admins do not normally get involved in the RP of other factions unless there is evidence of metagaming/powergaming and a violation report has been filed proving such.
This is one of greater mistakes in the server rules and in admin - faction relations. A lot of idiocy happens in the background of the factions and in their relations , but frankly even if you have the required evidence that supports your theory of trolling and harassing, from what I have noticed, 95 % of the times the admins won't take it seriously.
Gypsie Skripto Wrote:All water under the bridge for me and TAZ, but to the Star Zoners: do know, and despite everyone calling me a doomsayer for this I insist that this is true......
Nobody is calling you a doomsayer ( yet ). From my point of view, and as I noticed and as most people apprehended lately, Order RP has gone quite if not too much aggressive and hostile towards other factions, posing as they can fight on 10 Sirius war fronts, despite in RP their assets being limited after losses on Toledo.
Omicron Wrote:I liked Zoners when they were not farming in Alaska/O-99
Firstly, this way you almost base your opinion about Star Zoners is thanks to one of their members who got into O-99 and was caught there by the Order with a "probable" intention to farm Nomad remains and the said mentioning cloaks.
Secondly, you , from what I understood from your personality didn't thought of taking into consideration that it might have been a newbie that was not informed well about Order rules that are imposed there, or he just was not respecting some rules that Order throws on people in the Omicrons, nearly acting as Omicron Police, just as the Core does.
The other thing being is that people may perceive your opinions in 2 ways. One way of you stating your opinions as Michal Golanski, or as your personal opinion you have taken from years playing.
Omicron Wrote:No I never seen Drrobe's Persephone with my own eyes, neither any of my Order dudes submitted any pictures of it to me INRP.
The way I see this is: You are hostile towards Temporary Autonomous Zoners because of a ship that maybe contained nomad technology without previously seeing it by yourself or even getting the photos of it. And from what I read, Drrobe's ship only had such an effect ( OoRP ), and iRP the Order understood that as "nomad" technology.
And now, you want to destroy a base of Star Zoners as they ( Star Zoners ) maybe produce cloaking devices. That is somehow fair enough.
But if I now told you ( which I of course won't ) the names of POB's you could dock as Order| or Zoner ( ID'd ) with and witness how much remains said bases have in possession, what things they produce, you would have to go to war with 20 if not 30 factions ( the way your attitude goes, you probably would ) and maybe even one to two houses and their militaries, not to mention their strength and numbers ( iRP-ly and OoRP-ly ) when compared to the Order.
Lord Vipex Wrote:InRP, the Order did not know of the presence of Drrobes ship at all.
If this is correct then the Order is just leading a fanatic war, posing as Omicron ( Sirius ) police.
Quote:Primary role: Protecting humanity against the Nomad menace
This way The Order is not doing its job, at all.
Garret Jax Wrote:...unless there is evidence of...
The evidence is in plain sight, unless you do wish that the Order to destroys the base of said faction.
This kind of attitude destroys the server , and players ask why do other people refuse to play or play much less ? This is one of the answers. Remember, and do, make a base yourself and work hard to sustain its life for more than a month, play actively in your characters and supply the base. Play like a madman. Let a faction destroy the base for a utterly silly reason outside their jurisdiction ( Omega 9, far far away from contested space ) where the faction's influence is utterly low.
After that tell me how you feel and even if you wish to play the game again.
This situation is almost the same with the station Nebula Complex, which was destroyed by lawful forces in a joint action of Rheinland Military, Kusari Naval Forces and the Gallic Royal navy because it had Nomad remains and derelict artifacts , while the Kusari Law does not say that this is the way to do it.
Badperson Wrote:Personally, lock this thread. It's another post about the same thing in LESS THAN 24 HOURS.
Let people express their opinions on this delicate matter, at least for now.
Maybe I am wrong in certain things that I posted here, and thus I admit in advance, but this is the way I see things in this situation.
Nobody should take this "criticism" personally , moreover should apprehend this text as an advice for the future, as I have nothing against mentioned people in the post.
I recall a time when Zoners angered Corsairs & Core to an extend that both begun systematic killing of every single Zoner in Omicron and Omegas over accumulated issues they had with Zoner community and way they operated. There was completely identical finger pointing at the aggressors which eventually ended in "freedoms fighters" realizing they're not the strongest block in the region.
Mistakes of the past are being repeated as memories of the people do not reach 4.85, resetting the cycle anew.