(03-02-2015, 02:24 PM)Omicega Wrote: If this were a trial by forum, I'd have named names. Granted, it's still not hard to divine who I'm talking about from the original post, but I'd say that that's less my fault and more the fault of the individuals in question for doing what they did.
Flaming people who work for free to deliver you a nice enviroment to have fun playing one of your favorite games of all times is such a waste of time. Even if you don't agree with admins, they are people, they can make mistakes. Every time I write an admin, be it for help on a bug/problem, be it to press them on something that has waited for too long, I do it with a heavy heart because I know I would not like to be in their position.
(03-02-2015, 02:36 PM)Gypsie Skripto Wrote: Flaming people who work for free to deliver you a nice enviroment to have fun playing one of your favorite games of all times is such a waste of time. Even if you don't agree with admins, they are people, they can make mistakes. Every time I write an admin, be it for help on a bug/problem, be it to press them on something that has waited for too long, I do it with a heavy heart because I know I would not like to be in their position.
Kudos admins!
People always say "is it hard to be nice?" when someone is not acting the way it is expected. But why can't we apply the same to staff members when it comes to dealing with community?
Looking at [HF] sanction, it was handed so quickly, even before facts were discussed. While most sanctions takes week or two, this happened in hour or two. And then it was reversed. Meaning admins passed quick judgment which was false. Mistakes do happen. But not on such level, repeteadly.
I myself had my sanction reversed when I was pirating my archenemy outside of my ZoI. I took no offence to it that time. However seeing an admin bastilling my faction member ingame for the same thing was rather confidence shaking thing. If staff were cohesive unit, I am sure that one admin would have gained experience from false sanction. I was told by one admin that they stick together in a sense that they watch each others' backs. But as someone pointed out, is there room for individuality?
There have been controversial and doubtful sanction due to them being treated differently than in the past, but without any notice. Meaning the interpretation depends on admins and what is written matters less. Making such decision behind closed doors causes loss of trust.
Yea after reading some of these posts and looking at the [HF] sanction this is looking more and more like sanction lamcer. I agree with spazzy lots of sanctions and drama revolve around POB's really avoid them.
I think that admins should be bias free I like garret jax the most. Instead of going sanctionlancer on me like some others he came and chatted with me about some of the pvp stuff I didn't understand thanks for that btw garret. Admins are ppl too but really bias free would be nice.
As far as devs it's annoying when I look at reasons stuff is nerfed. "Oh no I got beaten time too nerf that ship." Like Wut, I don't hate devs but pls everyone has good and bad days it happens it's a game.
But overall I guess maybe players should have a say in who becomes admin but shouldn't dictate wat they do when they are in power.
You wanna talk about swining the sword too soon after passing the sentence? I was there when they nerfed barge jumping right when we at Congress where doing a barge jump. Jump Drive was almost charged even.
Do your hot headed whining if you want, we all did. But when you chill, lower your head and remind yourself that you are here to have fun.
(03-02-2015, 02:36 PM)Gypsie Skripto Wrote: Flaming people who work for free to deliver you a nice enviroment to have fun playing one of your favorite games of all times is such a waste of time. Even if you don't agree with admins, they are people, they can make mistakes. Every time I write an admin, be it for help on a bug/problem, be it to press them on something that has waited for too long, I do it with a heavy heart because I know I would not like to be in their position.
Kudos admins!
You kinda missed the point it seems. We know, for a fact, that certain admins have abused their powers or have gone great lengths after certain individuals. This along with several very poorly made decisions that even the administration team itself doesn't necessarily agree with (reverted HF sanction) raise a large doubt about the decision making inside the administration team.
For example an ENTIRE faction got bastilled in a matter of hours. Not only likely that only a few admins were involved in such a serious matter, it's obvious that sufficient checking of the rules broken, if any, wasn't made. Why? I can't tell - could be personal grudge, could be a rushing of decision because of pressuring from certain individuals or a group.
Needless to say, something is messed up - and there's a point that it reaches a boiling level where thread like this are made.
I personally feel comfortable talking with only 3 admins without expecting a backlash doesn't matter what I say. Some I feel less comfortable with, but I will still talk with on most matters and there are a few that I won't talk with at all, since I am afraid it will all be saved somewhere in pastebin and used against me later, doesn't matter what I say, or will only cause them to go and try to screw me over.
Just look on the first posts here - people afraid to make opinion because of possible retaliation. How on Earth is that right?
Okay here are my 2 cents on this whole matter.
Some points are true, some things have been handled badly in the past, could have been done better, but thats past by now, hard to change it. Im farily certain that the people involved in the decisions thought that they were doing the right thing, in order to keep harm from a larger number of players and thats what counts. We are no all-knowing beings, so we will never know all possible consequences and outcomes of decisions taken.
That leads to another issue that comes with the great green name, we try to keep the server running, try to make it an environment that is fun for the people playing here, this means that we have to act if someone finds loopholes (There will always be some, there simply is no way to prevent them from happening) and decided to abuse them to a degree that it could cause problems. If this happens we are forced to act and this is where things get tricky, every hole we fix, can cause other holes, every hole we fix is likely to restrict the freedom of many people that werent even guilty (see the Hogosha ID and silver ore, the ID still suffers greatly from this one).
Onto bias regarding specific factions, I personally avoid anything that concerns factions Im a part of, that means I wont process any sanctions, player requests,... that somehow concerns them, this also means that it slows down processes incredibly, as other Admins might have RL things to deal with when those pop up.
Now onwards to the subject of bias regarding certain players, its only natural, that someone who has caused larger issues in the past is going to be watched more carefully and will, if found doing something really wrong, be slapped way harder than a new player, why? Said player should know the rules, said player should also have learned a lesson from the previous times he got into trouble.
And even further onwards to the subject of mistakes. Everyone makes them, its only human. Im fairly certain that most of those that blame Admins for 'bad decisions' know what an usual Admin day looks like.
Mine currently looks like this: 9-10 hours of work, coming home, eating something, opening skype where a 50+ greets me next to the new messages button thingy (I try to answer all of them, so thats more than an hour gone without a lot of productivity in terms of Server stuff), read and answer forum PMs, read/check/comment on/process sanctions/player requests/SRPs/Base Upgrades, read and discuss Admin discussions in our very own corner, vote on the things that have to be voted on(because we are totally not democratic), then try to read some forum threads and try to play the game every once in a month if I actually get to it.
Thats also why 'community - elected' Admins are a really bad idea, as the 'community' for huge amounts has no insight into the work that cames with this green name. Burnouts are pretty much guaranteed after a short time this way, which would just put another workload on the already existing Admins as the skills dont come all of a sudden, someone has to show you how to use the Admin tools, someone has to teach you on how to do things. So if there are new Admins, they'd better be worth that effort and thats something only Admins can evaluate.
Now onto the matter of transparency, its bad. Why is it bad? Because if done in processes concerning Admin decisions, such as votes, we are not going to be able to work efficiently, as lots of players are goign to try to get their opinions into the vote, by talking to Admins on how great their opinions are (faction leaders thats you for example). Thats going to make this slower and way more stressful for the Admins that have to deal with it.
Why is it bad in regards to sanctions?
Thats why. We dont need more witch hunts around here, we already have enough of those going on. That would also involve the point mentioned above, as soon as sanction processes are public everyone is going to try to influence them, causing more work for the Admin team.
So, to sum that up, transparency is a nice idea, bt its simply not helpful in any way. Its slowing things down, its influencing them in ways that most people certainly do not want.
Im pretty tired at the moment, so if you find any logical flaws or grammar errors keep them, feed them and make sure that they have a great life.
@Aces: I am pretty sure you don't understand what this thread is about, at all.
Fine, I may not be able to understand what compels people to find themselves so far gone off the deep end, that they need to spend just as much time justifying their actions on the forums as they spend in game.
My only 'lack of confidence in the admins' would be the unwillingness for transparency regarding the evidence of crimes/sanctions whatever that are being reported.
We dont need to see votes, or individual admins opinions, but if they made public the actual content of the behavior/reports of many people who have these 'problems' in the first place, we wouldn't be needing to have this discussion at all.
Because now people who seem to think they aren't absolutely egregious in their behavior towards others, would seek to justify their behavior by undermining other players/admins validity.
I've listened to people laugh and applaud one another specifically for driving other players from the server, that's enough for me.
The fact that the Admins continue to argue with the community and have to defend their decision making is an unnecessary effort, I dont see why they stand for it with all the work they already do.
Has nobody considered that recent inaccuracies might just be the result of the sheer repetitive volume, of the same people causing them the same headaches over and over, therefore they now deal with them hastily?
Simply start airing out the dirty laundry regarding the gameplay that goes on for everyone to see, and the change in community opinion about what is going on here will be both dramatic and quick.
There are people here that are notably detrimental to large portions of the server, on all sides, and very few of them reside within the administrative team, so dont start your witch hunt with the few folks who give a **** about making this place 'go'.