Quote:First, this is fantasy storytelling by amateur writers. Professional writers put things into movies and books that are unbelievable and we suck it up like Kool-Aid. Following that if someone criticizes you or your friend’s writing you could ignore it or say thanks for the input.
Yeah, we're not in holywood. And we're not making Rambo. When a writer attempts to write something, He goes along with both logic and the lore he's catching up to.
Not just go with "We're stronk, we rule liberty."
i have to agree with Garrett. If the Congress doesnt intend to abide by the consequences of taking part in this obviously serious RP trial, then why bother going about things as they have been?
Now, and this is just speculative opinion, but perhaps Congress views themselves as being immune to the consequences of getting caught doing illegal things?
@matster of course, Congress stronk. only and best option for quasi-lawfulness to save poor liberty and bretonia.
please, spare us sensible and logical people the meandering twaddle about how Congress is the most crucial faction to the war effort.
(03-12-2015, 03:09 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Professional writers also have copy editors and publishers that weed out story elements that don't make sense or are problematic before they go to final print.
(03-12-2015, 03:09 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: Professional writers also have copy editors and publishers that weed out story elements that don't make sense or are problematic before they go to final print.
Exactly you make my point even more.
you actually just damaged your own point. either those in Congress who should be reigning in nonsensical actions by members arent doing it or everybody is congress is nonsensical
(03-12-2015, 03:14 PM)Echo 7-7 Wrote: I'm not here to appease any individual's warped sense of realism - I'm here to get some answers from the Congress (preferably from their leadership who are supposed to be responsible for the faction) regarding why they're distorting facts and accusing LibGov of powergaming, along with overall negative criticism of the handling of their roleplay.
"Warped Realisim"
OK the problem that was being discussed was whether it was realistic for a gun to be in a courtroom. IE realism. Since realism is an issue I thought it appropriate to point out how realism was tossed into the wind by the raid conducted. That actually leads to this idea that a group is using personal dislike to control in game activity and thus working outside RP. My suggestion that the government (for the time being) would gloss over the issue somehow (like by fining congress) is likely the outcome would be knowledge a quasi-criminal organization would have. The tone of this situation makes it seem like there is something more personal than RP at work here. I believe that is why the Congress feels there is some power gaming issue here.
I see this as a chain of events going wrong, and it all starts with the ridiculous premise that someone would let the police dock on their station and look around and just find the cardamine on the shelf with a price tag attached. This is ridiculous. If I have a black market running on my station it will not be open to anyone, specialy lawful forces.
Lolberty got Congress ships hauling the stuff in the past, that's one thing. But to dock on a station, take a SS of the base vendor with the cardamine listed and calling this 'proof' is much worse than bringing a concealed gun to a courtroom.
Also, when you complain about grammar is because you have no real argument to offer. pfff
(03-12-2015, 03:15 PM)Sabru Wrote: @matster of course, Congress stronk. only and best option for quasi-lawfulness to save poor liberty and bretonia.
please, spare us sensible and logical people the meandering twaddle about how Congress is the most crucial faction to the war effort.
Edit: oh hey, somewhat ninja'd by Ghost Radical
I get the impression they are having fun with it. What? have fun with it? How dare they!
"meandering twaddle" Nice!
How did I imply they were "the most crucial faction to the war effort?" I simply pointed out the obvious utility they would provide and why that would lead to a temporary "blind eye". Just like the Xenos having a POB in Liberty space that everyone know about. Blind eye because people in the government view them as useful for some political gain.
Matster, some time ago your perspective may have been right, Liberty WAS willing to turn a blind eye to certain things, but as late (and really for the past year or so), the Junker Congress' relationship with the GOVERNMENT (Not the corporations) of Liberty has been steadily deteriorating, as they've been found more and more often to be committing brazen criminal acts, and trying to dodge out of the consequences as well.
And now, drawing weapons in a cout of law? You cannot HONESTLY think that's something the government should just shrug off. At this point, inRP, the Congress is doing more HARM than GOOD to the government of Liberty, from the government's perspective.
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Hello, [LN] lead and LibGov member and person trying to work with Congress and all that
My principal concern has and will always be not the fact that Congress had cardamine on their base, but that they willingly said and I quote:
"I don't have to explain anything to you, now die."
And then opened fire on Liberty officials within Texas? (Perhaps PR, I wasn't there, but there were a substantial amount of screenshots, DSAce, and anecdotal evidence to back it up.) I fundamentally disagree with the idea that Congress think they can get away with pulling that kind of attitude against Liberty forces and openly engage them without so much as a care to the consequences they are bringing upon themselves if they do so.
I've talked rather extensively with both JT and WildBill, brought up my concerns, and they've brought up their own. I've dispensed their concerns into LibGov, and for the most part LibGov has attempted to be accomodating. We've adopted a complete ban on the idea of severely hampering Congress' activity in Liberty or taxing them incredibly harshly, and we've strictly negated any idea of FR5ing them, as there is no reason to do so. And yet, they persist in their motions of almost off-the-wall roleplay in the trial thread (that they asked for, repeatedly), to the point at which I can no longer in good faith sympathize with the Congress position.
I've pulled myself away from the situation as I do not wish to cause [LN] undue damage by involving myself, as faction lead, in the situation, but I found that making this strict clarification would help to ease hostilities and finger pointing as, at this point, a lot of accusations are being made without the full situation being realized.
(03-12-2015, 03:47 PM)John Wildkins Wrote: Hello, [LN] lead and LibGov member and person trying to work with Congress and all that
My principal concern has and will always be not the fact that Congress had cardamine on their base, but that they willingly said and I quote:
"I don't have to explain anything to you, now die."
And then opened fire on Liberty officials within Texas? (Perhaps PR, I wasn't there, but there were a substantial amount of screenshots, DSAce, and anecdotal evidence to back it up.) I fundamentally disagree with the idea that Congress think they can get away with pulling that kind of attitude against Liberty forces and openly engage them without so much as a care to the consequences they are bringing upon themselves if they do so.
I've talked rather extensively with both JT and WildBill, brought up my concerns, and they've brought up their own. I've dispensed their concerns into LibGov, and for the most part LibGov has attempted to be accomodating. We've adopted a complete ban on the idea of severely hampering Congress' activity in Liberty or taxing them incredibly harshly, and we've strictly negated any idea of FR5ing them, as there is no reason to do so. And yet, they persist in their motions of almost off-the-wall roleplay in the trial thread (that they asked for, repeatedly), to the point at which I can no longer in good faith sympathize with the Congress position.
I've pulled myself away from the situation as I do not wish to cause [LN] undue damage by involving myself, as faction lead, in the situation, but I found that making this strict clarification would help to ease hostilities and finger pointing as, at this point, a lot of accusations are being made without the full situation being realized.
Also, handcannon robot in a courtroom. Why.
and you guys (to the ones involved) openly transported cardi from the base to huston and back a few times and make a good buck before getting caught