P-Scrap

[Wesker]

The balancing sucks Fynn. Have you not seen the posts in the mining feedback thread? Premium Scrap isn't viable for Junkers as a mining commodity compared to everything else. I gave it a chance and now that time has passed my conclusion is that it needs to be reverted.

Sure, you get lots of Scrappers. Beaumont Spire also gets lots of Scrappers. Are they Junker ID'd though? No, they're not. Spire mostly sees corporate 5ks taking Pscrap to Yokohama or ALG (and other Gallic friendly ships) taking Pscrap to Gallia.

Hell, you even describe one of the problems with the nerf. Now Junkers no longer have any reason to fly through Kusari, or systems where many Kusari factions can interact with Junkers.

Claiming that PScrap is a 'good route for silent lonesome traders' isn't a viable argument that you can pinpoint on Pscrap alone. You get this with every commodity, so we just need to swallow our pride and stop nitpicking in that regard. Pscrap brought loads of interactions. Players would mine it in Texas, which would possibly attract Xenos. Pirate ID'd (independents and house) would also get involved in the trade, giving lawfuls something to shoot too. On the way to Alpha CR, UC, IMG, GRN, Hogosha, Exiles, KNF, KSP, indie pirates would all be waiting to pounce on Junkers hauling PScrap up to Alpha. Factions like OC and JM would log in to protect them, further adding to the activity. Now that PScrap is nerfed, all of that is gone. The Taus were once active and now they're deader than ever.

Jump Trading is what killed it and I'm glad it's been crippled. Now we can finally look at getting Pscrap back to what it was, without all the negatives that poisoned it.

Actually, why should only Junkers carry PremScrap ?

Junkers can mine it best, and always will.
But why not cooperate ?

I would gladly agree to setting back a higher price at La Valetta if the prices at other places would stay, and I see no reason to "only let Junkers carry scrap" ?

Let the corporates haul it if they want , why not ?
You can always pirate them with a different ship if you like, or get some peaceful interaction while scrapping.
And more diversity with the ships coming to fetch scrap means you get more different opportunities to interact ?

I read the posts in the feedback, and do not agree with everything.
And I will not launch into a balancing discussion with you.
My point only is :

Interaction does not only mean shooting or piracy, even in a space shooter game.

Fact is : I fly in Texas all the time.
I see more Interaction since the change, not less.
Kusari has come back to life, there is some more reasons to fly to Gallia too,
and Outcasts seem to be the only realfaction loosing something.

Outcasts, not Junkers or JM|

Sure, Tinkers profit greatly, the change could have been tailored to us.
( And I do not think it has been, by the way. Even if I suggested the sellpoint at Council space in Champagne )
So I still say : Add a higher sellpoint at La Valetta againg if you insist and can convince Dev´s and Balancing team.
But please : leave the gallic sellpoints alone, they are fine !

Because Junkers are THE scrapping business. And I'm pretty sure OCs don't want shippments from ALG or DSE.

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[Lythrilux]

Actually, why should only Junkers carry PremScrap ?

I'm not saying only they should carry it, but Pscrap is primarily a Junker and ALG commodity. They should be given priority routes. Other factions are free to carry it, but they already have a wealth of other viable commodities.

Junkers can mine it best, and always will.
But why not cooperate ?
I would gladly agree to setting back a higher price at La Valetta if the prices at other places would stay, and I see no reason to "only let Junkers carry scrap" ?

The cooperation argument is weak. As long as we have solo mining vessels like the Salvager, Golem, Hegemon and player bases, there will be little cooperation between factions on mining trade routes. However I did see quite a few Rogue ID'd pirate trains going to Alpha back when the route was viable, but I'd wager that the majority of them would be obtaining Pscrap from a POB rather than getting a Junker pal to mine it (though JM|- have filled up some Rogue and Pirate ID'd vessels in the past).
The amount of cooperation there was when it was 14k will be the exact same at any price. This applies to all mining commodities. Direct

Let the corporates haul it if they want , why not ?

I'm not saying they shouldn't, but they already have other commodities to take advantage of. They can be free to haul it, but Junkers and ALG should get priority.

You can always pirate them with a different ship if you like, or get some peaceful interaction while scrapping. And more diversity with the ships coming to fetch scrap means you get more different opportunities to interact ?

I don't understand what your point is. Before there were much more interactions. They were all relatively diverse. Now there's a lot less, and once active areas of Sirius (see Sigmas and Taus) have become deader as a result. As TheUnforgiven pointed out, thinly spread out activity that's been diluted across Sirius is a lot less positive than lots of activity in smaller pockets across Sirius.

I read the posts in the feedback, and do not agree with everything.
And I will not launch into a balancing discussion with you.
My point only is :

Interaction does not only mean shooting or piracy, even in a space shooter game.

I'm not saying it is, however they help breed good interactions and good activity which is good for the factions involved. PvP is a crux of server activity. Peaceful Scrap RP can still take place in Texas, however by no means should it be plane sailing across all of Sirius to the sell point. JM|- had good RP in convoys up to Alpha, with both our faction members and other ID'd ships that were hauling/mining scrap (Rogues, ALG, Hackers, Freelancers etc.). When we entered hostile space though that's the point at which we might have needed defend ourselves if we're unfortunate enough to meet hostiles.

Fact is : I fly in Texas all the time.
I see more Interaction since the change, not less.
Kusari has come back to life, there is some more reasons to fly to Gallia too,

I also fly in Texas all the time. I see ALG ships everywhere but there are a lot less Junker ships now.
Taking our eyes out of Texas and actually looking at the rest of Sirius, activity is pretty much vacant from the Sigmas and it's a lot deader in the Taus since the nerf. Activity shouldn't soley revolve around one system Fynn.
Kusari has sort of come back to life. I don't really know to be honest. Personally I haven't seen a huge surge in the amount of pirates in Kusari or any other interactions involving PScrap. It feels just like before with a tiny bit of difference. If Yokohama was around back when Pscrap was 14k in Alpha, it could've made a lot more activity as Junkers could mine for Corporates, fly as a convoy to Tau-29, then split with one side going to Alpha and the other side going to New Tokyo. You also know what could've been awesome if the 14k sell point was kept? Hogosha would have a real reason to fly Medium Transports and go pirate Junkers for Pscrap, which they could then sell in New Tokyo for a good price. This could then make EVEN MORE activity as Junkers would log in to go shoot the Hogosha. OC, KNF, UC, GRN, CR etc. might also get involved with that activity.
Gallia, or the route to Gallia, has not really had any activity boosts. The route itself pretty much swerves past the OC, and all the other Tau factions have no reason to log in for an interaction with ALG because they're legal in Gallia.

and Outcasts seem to be the only faction loosing something.
Outcasts, not Junkers or JM|

As leader of JM which is a Junker faction, I'd disagree. We lost our viable mining commodity, we can't even take advantage of the IMG sell point (because we're JM). Junker activity has certainly dropped as Pscrap isn't a viable mining commodity anymore, this in turn actually affects Hogosha and Xenos activity. It's all interlinked. Because of a lack of Junkers, this means there's less Junkers hauling contraband from Alpha through Sirius. This then means that lawfuls don't have a chance to enforce the law and catch smugglers. OC lost their oppertunity to interact with Junkers, either by escorting them or by just simply having some RP with them. Like I said, it's all interlinked.

Sure, Tinkers profit greatly, the change could have been tailored to us.
( And I do not think it has been, by the way. Even if I suggested the sellpoint at Council space in Champagne )

It pretty much was. This change greatly favored corporations and lawfuls far more than Junkers (and other quasi-lawfuls). The IMG sell point and the GMG sell point were actually asked for not because those factions wanted to take the route away from Alpha, but because they wanted Junkers to have a reasonable place to sell their cargo when they're caught with it in the border worlds, because those factions would log in and interact with the Junkers and force them to sell the cargo at an IMG/GMG base or die. This created activity.

So I still say : Add a higher sellpoint at La Valetta again if you insist and can convince Dev´s and Balancing team.
But please : leave the gallic sellpoints alone, they are fine !

I'll fight and fight and keep fighting to have the old sell points restored, don't get me wrong though I really want the Gallic sell point at the sell point of Yokohama to stay because they'd be good for activity.

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[FynnMcScrap]

I'll fight and fight and keep fighting to have the old sell points restored, don't get me wrong though I really want the Gallic sell point at the sell point of Yokohama to stay because they'd be good for activity.

Go for that, then :-)

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FynnMcScrap, Foreman of Tinkers Haven