(05-13-2015, 02:18 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Fine. Your point is that they can just re-name themselves and go on their way.
So are you saying then at the moment in game when you encounter an indy they should not be treated like an official just becasue of that?
Just because you don't know what to expect from them. Just because you don't know who's behind a name you've never seen.
(Unlike to a tag you know where on the forums you can get more information about them before meeting any of them.)
(05-13-2015, 02:18 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: The whole point is immersion and the like. Yes a group will be there. Yes an individual can come and then be gone the next day. At that moment though when you encounter an indy is it fair to judge? imo no it is not.
That's the difference between treating an indy and an official. You can find information about officials as a basis for your judgement, but in the case of indies all you have is your experiences. And I've already explained above why those can be negative for many players.
(05-13-2015, 02:23 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Since I have gotten now positive feedback, I'd say the problem is with you, Lyth.
(05-13-2015, 02:18 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Fine. Your point is that they can just re-name themselves and go on their way.
So are you saying then at the moment in game when you encounter an indy they should not be treated like an official just becasue of that?
Just because you don't know what to expect from them. Just because you don't know who's behind a name you've never seen.
(Unlike to a tag you know where on the forums you can get more information about them before meeting any of them.)
So you have an issue with no knowing where they are from and what not? How about like... i dont know.... rp... and stuff? No? yes?
(05-13-2015, 02:18 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: The whole point is immersion and the like. Yes a group will be there. Yes an individual can come and then be gone the next day. At that moment though when you encounter an indy is it fair to judge? imo no it is not.
That's the difference between treating an indy and an official. You can find information about officials as a basis for your judgement, but in the case of indies all you have is your experiences. And I've already explained above why those can be negative for many players.
So when you have less experience/knowledge about them then you treat them worse? What happened to the excitement of meeting new people?
(05-13-2015, 02:23 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Since I have gotten now positive feedback, I'd say the problem is with you, Lyth.
One feedback to rule them all?
jajajajajja feedback that matters.
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(05-13-2015, 12:54 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Individual players. Why the hell are they treated like crap at times? Ohh I see... Just because you have a tag it means you are better?
No.
When you encounter Indy players dont wave them off with their rp. Don't treat them differently or with less respect than the official faction. There are people behind those ships that wana have fun. Don't brush them off automatically.
"oh it is just an Indy..."
No. It is a player pertaining to a faction. Treat it as such.
Oh have you been playing for longer and think you deserve more? Please. If you have played longer than you know how much of a pain in the butt that is.
How about respect them, invite them, play with them, interact, notice them.
We need to make a change here, folks. This behavior we have now especially from leaders is toxic.
I agree with this whole-heartedly, indy players are sometimes treated as second-class citizens because the general assumption is that because they are indys they must be new thus can't RP / know the rules and are therefore ignored.
(05-13-2015, 12:56 PM)jammi Wrote: So who's actually doing this? Generalisations aren't terribly helpful if it's specific people being dicknuggets that are the problem.
I see this all the time in every area of disco I have seen Official faction members slagging off indys in group coz they did something wrong or dont RP correctly.
But funny thing is just because you are official it does not mean you are right, I remember an occasion involving a BAF| recruit in Leeds.
In that instance, there was a battle going on between the BAF and the GRN, when the battle started there was no BAF| senior officer present so I took lead of the bretonian attack directing how the battlegroup should behave being the most experienced player there.
Mid-way through the thick of the fighting, a BAF| ensign joined the fray and immediately attempted to seize control of the operation, we were winning but his first order was for us to retreat and I thought why should we retreat when we can win.
I told the group to ignore his commands and continue fighting, luckily I was right and we won that battle; but because I (being an indy player although experienced) ignored his commands he began abusing me in group and shouting all kinda of crap that I was a traitor I should be executed etcetc.
The abuse then continued into Manchester where said player who was in a bomber began following me and trolling along the way by firing CDs at me which is really annoying. He then declared that I was KOS and began firing Snacs and Novas at me. Remember this is an official BAF| member firing on a indy BAF ID Dunkirk because he didnt like how I was RPing ignoring his orders which were illogical.
So yeh this just shows that being an official faction member does not mean anything and it certainly does NOT make you better than the indy player, because in this instance the official faction member was engaging in ooRP behaviour against an indy player of the same ID without authority from higher-ups to do so first. It also highlights the attitude an official faction member can have over indys, which is the core of this problem.
In my experience, if the RP of an official faction is illogical then I will ignore said players and treat them how they would treat indys....
(05-13-2015, 02:23 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: Since I have gotten now positive feedback, I'd say the problem is with you, Lyth.
Quote:Individual players. Why the hell are they treated like crap at times? Ohh I see... Just because you have a tag it means you are better?
No.
When you encounter Indy players dont wave them off with their rp. Don't treat them differently or with less respect than the official faction. There are people behind those ships that wana have fun. Don't brush them off automatically.
"oh it is just an Indy..."
No. It is a player pertaining to a faction. Treat it as such.
Oh have you been playing for longer and think you deserve more? Please. If you have played longer than you know how much of a pain in the butt that is.
How about respect them, invite them, play with them, interact, notice them.
We need to make a change here, folks. This behavior we have now especially from leaders is toxic.
This sounds like a poorly argued rant from some social-media teen though. I'll assume that you may be posting via mobile, indicated by the short sentences and lack of paragraphs?
How many times do I have to say it is not a rant but just a public thing to raise a little awareness?
What is wrong from what I said that you have to argue, Lyth. Are you against what I wrote? I hope not... and if you are not then this is not the place to become an English teacher.
(05-13-2015, 02:36 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: So you have an issue with no knowing where they are from and what not? How about like... i dont know.... rp... and stuff? No? yes?
Yes. I usually do that, but I still do not condemn those who are dealing with indies differently, because I can understand them, and nor I am trying to force them to change their view on indies, because I can't. Indies can, they are the only ones who can convince people that indies aren't that bad at all. You know, every coin has two sides.
(05-13-2015, 02:36 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: So when you have less experience/knowledge about them then you treat them worse? What happened to the excitement of meeting new people?
Bad experiences about meeting new people maybe? I mean, it's not at all the main point I was trying to communicate you this whole time, is it?
(05-13-2015, 02:36 PM)nOmnomnOm Wrote: jajajajajja feedback that matters.
Oh, you mean, feedback of people who agree with you. Because those who disagree definitely don't matter, do they? What happened to equal treatment?
(05-13-2015, 02:37 PM)Black Widow Wrote: I agree with this whole-heartedly, indy players are sometimes treated as second-class citizens because the general assumption is that because they are indys they must be new thus can't RP / know the rules and are therefore ignored.
As I've so far experienced, you are one of the bad examples of an indy, one of the reasons why indies are treated bad in general, so I'd say you are the last person who should post in threads like this.
(05-13-2015, 02:49 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Oh, you mean, feedback of people who agree with you. Because those who disagree definitely don't matter, do they? What happened to equal treatment?
As one of those "indie players" who doesn't really care about anything, i will tell you exactly what i do when Officials treat me like {beep}.
1. Not follow their orders.
2. Ignore them completely.
3. Laugh at them when something happens.
4. Make fun of them till i get bored or till i say "enough is enough" so they realize by themselves it's not fun to treat someone like {beep}, tagless or not.
Edit: And the list keeps going, but i thought of giving some examples.