' Wrote:Three, the Order has many bombers. The Harvesters have many capships, FTGW did the math and its better not to fight them. Now every ZOner we cross has been harvested, with the exception of the elites(players) who are a cut above the rest and more wily. Now while the elites may talk it seems few individual ZOners have the political clout to represent all ZOners and build binding military agreements with the Order or GMG. I may be wrong but, I think of their agreements as sort of convienent and "just how it happened".
The agreement with the Order is steady enough to have a secret super-protected research lab together. Also, even if the alliance would be shaky, machines that harvest humans should be enough to put any Order member in a bloody rage. Therefore, the Order should be hostile wether the FTGW wants it or not. To not have them hostile( NPCs) would be metagaming. I'd like the Bs| to chime in here, though.
Quote:The Corsairs, I think are a proud and ruthless race. I think some would accept it while others would not.
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We eat their foes, and give them free stuff and FTGW respects the Elder councils request so, we earn thier non interferance. Not to mention we are not to hunt ZOners in the orbit of Crete. They may change the terms, thats their system to do so. Then we will adapt.
Well, my main beef here is with the Corsairs that ally with you, really. They _should_ consider all freeports closed to them from the moment the alliance with the Harvesters became known, since they have allied with the only enemy the Zoners have.
From a Zoners in-rp perspective: The Corsairs don't like us here, but they need us and are not strong enough to defeat us head on, especially with the BHG staging from the FP:s. Now, some Corsairs suddenly ally with the machie-enteties that wish to destroy us all. Well, use the first weapon of Zoners - close the Freeport, cease trade. No way a few harvesters can replace the food and meds that the Zoners no longer deliver - in your description, the Harvesters don't even really trade, only land to 'digest' the cargo - so in that case, no deliveries at all.
If the Harvester _do_ claim to supply the Corsairs instead of the Zoners, I want Harvester food/med/supply convoys I can hunt :)
Who sells fuel to the Harvesters/Corsairs? GMG is a Zoner ally. Zoners control the Deuterium market...
I still think there are too many holes here. I'd be a lot happier if that alliance/friendliness was just removed and put to neutral.
John Johnson - Master of Synth.Foods-Convoy|049
Hans Adler - Synth Foods escort wing
Wrathkin, your logic is both reasonable and diabolical. /Signed.
Scornstar, just because there are no "sweet deals" between the Order and Zoners right now doesn't mean there can't or won't be. In fact, it would be an obvious diplomatic olive branch to pursue under the circumstances. Stay tuned.
And most certainly the Zoner Freeports would look down on any Corsairs who choose to support the Harvesters. I doubt many of them would make it past the defenses. This would also serve to solidify the "who's who" and "what's what" of various Corsair Factions vis a vis the Harvesters.
Take a good long look at the universal armour upgrades, especially the higher end ones, they were developed between the order and the zoners.
To be honest, this harvester thing was fun and interesting when it was a only a couple of people who were RPing with zoners, now it's an army attacking zoners.
If this becomes a full faction expect the zoner population, especially the independents, to shrink drastically.
As for the alliance with a corsair faction, the OPG can't seem to keep it's secret deals and shady business quiet anyhow...
The corsairs might be pirates with enough resources to build their own ships while lacking enough food to feed their population, but they are not frigging moronic bastards who would openly admit to supporting a group that is attacking the one faction who will sell the corsairs food.
If anyone disagrees, fine, thats upto you, but I see no reason whatsoever for any corsair to be landing on any zoner base as long as this 'alliance' stands.
If you don't like that?
Tough, thats RP and it's politics for you, you try to tip the bucket in your favor it'll spill everywhere.
' Wrote:People seem to have missed some infocards...
Take a good long look at the universal armour upgrades, especially the higher end ones, they were developed between the order and the zoners.
To be honest, this harvester thing was fun and interesting when it was a only a couple of people who were RPing with zoners, now it's an army attacking zoners.
If this becomes a full faction expect the zoner population, especially the independents, to shrink drastically.
As for the alliance with a corsair faction, the OPG can't seem to keep it's secret deals and shady business quiet anyhow...
The corsairs might be pirates with enough resources to build their own ships while lacking enough food to feed their population, but they are not frigging moronic bastards who would openly admit to supporting a group that is attacking the one faction who will sell the corsairs food.
If anyone disagrees, fine, thats upto you, but I see no reason whatsoever for any corsair to be landing on any zoner base as long as this 'alliance' stands.
If you don't like that?
Tough, thats RP and it's politics for you, you try to tip the bucket in your favor it'll spill everywhere.
I accually brought up the armor info cards awhile ago in agreeance to what your saying and the general answer I got was that armor was universal. I'm not going to be the only one restricting our folks from top armor, plus we mooched alot of tech from Gammu (our home planet) and the only reason we can't land there is game mechanics.
RP politics are well........politics. Politics are always clear as mud.
Now we are trying to get the alpha code here and your oppressing us:crazy: We only hunt the Zoners for the alpha code, and to keep them red. Thought the Zoner expeditionary and us have been takeing turns pounding each others day light out and the AW has been pounding on us a little more than we do on them (bombers :angry2:) but all in good fun and excitement.
' Wrote:I accually brought up the armor info cards awhile ago in agreeance to what your saying and the general answer I got was that armor was universal. I'm not going to be the only one restricting our folks from top armor, plus we mooched alot of tech from Gammu (our home planet) and the only reason we can't land there is game mechanics.
I wasn't talking about using the armour upgrades. I was trying to point out a clear link to the order so people would understand that the zoners are order are more then friendly.
Quote:RP politics are well........politics. Politics are always clear as mud.
Now we are trying to get the alpha code here and your oppressing us:crazy: We only hunt the Zoners for the alpha code, and to keep them red. Thought the Zoner expeditionary and us have been takeing turns pounding each others day light out and the AW has been pounding on us a little more than we do on them (bombers :angry2:) but all in good fun and excitement.
The AW are good at fighting, and butting into fights that has nothing to do with them, and thats about it.
I think the Harvesters would be a more suiting full-faction. You also haven't covered naming. All of the listed people are:
***Harvester_00***Algo-Rhythm Lost***
***Harvester_01***Kith Sam Taaw SHF***
***Harvester_02***Kith Sam Taaw HF***
Etc...
I'm totally lost by the concept of this. Harvesters are the Core and seek to make friends with other robots, but if they make friends and one joins the Alliance, what is he called? [MA]-Steve?
Whereas a Harvester would be [MA]Harvester_00?
Can you please clarify? Because at the moment, this looks more suiting of a RP thread and an invitation to all bots to be friends than a full blown faction.
And... What do non-Harvester MA members do? I don't think they'd harvest, since they would probably not care so much for that. Harvesting overwrites other commands, so if a generic MA member said, "Help!" They'd be like, "Processing - Denied, frill you."
I can't see this as a faction... Just a group of people who help eachother out. Unless the other bots go through some weird re-programming that makes them want to Harvest, but then why not just make a Harvester faction?
' Wrote:Okay... Sorry for my unlearned ness, however...
I think the Harvesters would be a more suiting full-faction. You also haven't covered naming. All of the listed people are:
***Harvester_00***Algo-Rhythm Lost***
***Harvester_01***Kith Sam Taaw SHF***
***Harvester_02***Kith Sam Taaw HF***
Etc...
I'm totally lost by the concept of this. Harvesters are the Core and seek to make friends with other robots, but if they make friends and one joins the Alliance, what is he called? [MA]-Steve?
Whereas a Harvester would be [MA]Harvester_00?
Can you please clarify? Because at the moment, this looks more suiting of a RP thread and an invitation to all bots to be friends than a full blown faction.
And... What do non-Harvester MA members do? I don't think they'd harvest, since they would probably not care so much for that. Harvesting overwrites other commands, so if a generic MA member said, "Help!" They'd be like, "Processing - Denied, frill you."
I can't see this as a faction... Just a group of people who help eachother out. Unless the other bots go through some weird re-programming that makes them want to Harvest, but then why not just make a Harvester faction?
I can't speak for Scorn so i will explain it the way i think it would work best for everyone.
Yes it is supposed to be a faction of robots that have banded together, and at the same time its a faction for the harvesters. All will be under the [MA] banner, including the indy bots. I'm designing the bases and including a new commodity called "Bio-Synthetic Lubricants". If all is approved and used then this commodity would be sold at an [ma] base and be transported by "Haulers" to other systems. I remember seeing a reply here yesterday suggesting we have traders. So thats where im trying to take it with my design. A NON-Harvester member could bring scrap metal or fuel to the machines and or transport the new commodity to other places. They could also act as escorts for the "Haulers" if they choose.
' Wrote:Yes it is supposed to be a faction of robots that have banded together, and at the same time its a faction for the harvesters. All will be under the [MA] banner, including the indy bots. I'm designing the bases and including a new commodity called "Bio-Synthetic Lubricants".
So, you're basically saying that traders will have the opportunity to haul "Soylent Green" around?
Not sure if that's one step above or below hauling slaves.
Will "smart" robots have to "dumb down" and become part of the collective to join?
Sorry.. none of the above is constructive. Disregard.
' Wrote:So, you're basically saying that traders will have the opportunity to haul "Soylent Green" around?
Not sure if that's one step above or below hauling slaves.
Will "smart" robots have to "dumb down" and become part of the collective to join?
Sorry.. none of the above is constructive. Disregard.
"Mama Dis"
haha. no they wouldnt have to dumb down to join.
If they didnt wanna be transporting biomaterials or even have a single thing to do with the harvesters beyond the [ma] tag then they could transport the other things that machines need.. fuel, hull panels, optronics, engine components, ect, ect.. Thats what i REALLY like the most about this whole general idea. By design it offers more than other factions bent on galactic conquest. Who would we sell our lubricants to and how would we make them if there arent any bioforms left to harvest?
Edit: Another thing is that Alien Organisms were to be the "legal" source for the Biomaterial. Harvesting of humans will be a thing we wouldnt want to be publicly known everywhere as far as RP goes. Kinda like in real life, SPAM for example. One of those "you may not wanna know whats really in it or how it's made, but you know it can be good, and people still eat it anyways.". heh.
' Wrote:The agreement with the Order is steady enough to have a secret super-protected research lab together. Also, even if the alliance would be shaky, machines that harvest humans should be enough to put any Order member in a bloody rage. Therefore, the Order should be hostile wether the FTGW wants it or not. To not have them hostile( NPCs) would be metagaming. I'd like the Bs| to chime in here, though.
Well, my main beef here is with the Corsairs that ally with you, really. They _should_ consider all freeports closed to them from the moment the alliance with the Harvesters became known, since they have allied with the only enemy the Zoners have.
From a Zoners in-rp perspective: The Corsairs don't like us here, but they need us and are not strong enough to defeat us head on, especially with the BHG staging from the FP:s. Now, some Corsairs suddenly ally with the machie-enteties that wish to destroy us all. Well, use the first weapon of Zoners - close the Freeport, cease trade. No way a few harvesters can replace the food and meds that the Zoners no longer deliver - in your description, the Harvesters don't even really trade, only land to 'digest' the cargo - so in that case, no deliveries at all.
If the Harvester _do_ claim to supply the Corsairs instead of the Zoners, I want Harvester food/med/supply convoys I can hunt :)
Who sells fuel to the Harvesters/Corsairs? GMG is a Zoner ally. Zoners control the Deuterium market...
I still think there are too many holes here. I'd be a lot happier if that alliance/friendliness was just removed and put to neutral.
The politics is for in game RP, no need to lose all that potential Rp for us all. Plus the Zoners have not kept a very good leash on the AW who are DEFINATELY ZONER affiliated, from attacking Corsairs. The Corsairs (I cant speak for them) may want some responce since the AW is also bed buddies with the Outcast. Now from the info cards I read the ZOners are infact afraid of the COrsairs, if for no other reason that if they stop trade the Corsairs will destroy thier bio domes if they cant have them, or trade for whats in them. But politics for in game.
Telling a Captain in the Air Force or, Navy the address of a known murder will not mobilize the whole fleet, also with thier war on Liberty and with the Nomads and BHG(Zoner bed buddies) right at thier door step, I feel its safe to say they are busy.
Now if the ZOner pull trade from Corsairs and Order for not helping, then they lose much profit and allies, and perhaps gain new threats. The Outcast alone are not enough bussiness to make up for another enemy in the face of one, already and the AW is already in war.
I think this produces a suffiecent stale mate. Now the Zoners may be able to talk enough game to intimidate the Corsairs but that might just make them targets and endanger the lives of everyone on freeport 11 and Freeport 9. Well you may say the Order will help us. BUZZZ, wrong the Order relies on the Corsairs for training, pilots, and shipyards too. I think there would be alot of looking the other way. No different than the Zoners and all there "friends wars". Neutral does not mean everyones friend/ally.
You will have things to hunt as after/if we become official I have plans for other branches of service within the Harvesters. Some are purely "non-combat". We have some now but most folks run from them with out ever seeing them.
Suffice it to say we have energy cover as do the Nomads. I just cant reviel more for fear of spoilage. That will require in game research.
Now folks please lets save the politics for in game. If your up set with the Corsairs decision and have IN GAME EVIDENCE then push them around on the diplomacy channel. I'm not telling them to bugger off.
Thanks Wraith hope it helps or at least lets you see the method behind my maddness.
' Wrote:Wrathkin, your logic is both reasonable and diabolical. /Signed.
Scornstar, just because there are no "sweet deals" between the Order and Zoners right now doesn't mean there can't or won't be. In fact, it would be an obvious diplomatic olive branch to pursue under the circumstances. Stay tuned.
And most certainly the Zoner Freeports would look down on any Corsairs who choose to support the Harvesters. I doubt many of them would make it past the defenses. This would also serve to solidify the "who's who" and "what's what" of various Corsair Factions vis a vis the Harvesters.
How do the ZOners know about the allaiance? Besides this info sheet? Just wondering and asking folk to police them selves with anti metagameing software.
' Wrote:I wasn't talking about using the armour upgrades. I was trying to point out a clear link to the order so people would understand that the zoners are order are more then friendly.
The AW are good at fighting, and butting into fights that has nothing to do with them, and thats about it.
Thats why you started this thread correct?