Battlegroup Auxesia - A/)-

[Shaggy]

I find it very amusing that A/) would try so hard to intercept a Core convoy by logging different ships from system to system.

Core convoy in Sigma-15? A/) suddenly in Sigma-15. Core convoy in Frankfurt? A/) suddenly in Kolen and New Berlin. Core convoy in Dresden? A/) suddenly in Omega-49. Core convoy in Omega-9? A/) suddenly in Omega-3. More or less the past hour was filled with A/) constantly swapping from ship to ship trying to stay ahead of the Core| convoy via the playerlist and stalking the ships with extreme tenacity from system to system. We eventually just logged off rather than pandering to your conduct.

Whilst the playerlist can be considered a necessary evil for interaction, this sort of use of it is very unhealthy. Especially for a faction trying to reach officialdom.

Also why do you have AP-Line tech and where it's sourced from?

Trial by Forum. - Dim

[Vendetta]

@Shaggy

First, let me start off by saying Hi.

Second, let me reference a particular scenario where a certain large contingent of Core|APM- ships logged off in Zeta under very suspicious circumstances, knowing there were hostiles ahead in Delta. Then, not even a minute later, three Threshers and some fighters appear, Core| ships. That was a few weeks ago. I logged on a freighter and was flying through Delta when I noticed some Core| guys hanging around. One attempted to catch me, thus I cloaked. Then, I docked and logged a Gunboat, undocked, and as I did, noticed another Core| Ship in Sigma-15, jumping to a new system. Rather than giving chase, since I knew I wasn't going to catch up, I logged a ship that could potentially interdict you as you went. I bumped the chat, saying "Hey, there's Core moving around, lets see if we can catch them.". Thus, people logged. They logged what they had closest, and moved to find you. One of us found an indy snub, and shot it.

Third, to answer your question:

When Guildkeeper Raven rose to the power of Guildmaster to cover for the absence of Guildmaster Nodtviet. Guildmaster Raven had came across restricted files that were for the view of the current Guildmaster, plans, experiments, research, blueprints. Angry and disappointed at what the Core truly was, Raven immediately began to discreetly copy the data archives over, selecting pieces of information that was relevant, blueprints, plans, the works. The false-hearted Guildmaster uploaded all of the data to the data archives on her personal Warship, the Eidolon Wraith, allowing to be secure - protected by multiple firewalls and an AI unit that heavily guards the information.

Hopefully that clears things up for you.

In addition, let me put a reminder here.

Please take the time to read the thread CAREFULLY. If people start asking things, where the answers are in the OP, I'm not going to respond to them.

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[Yber]

It's not April's fools nyx

[Vendetta]

It's not April's fools nyx

Thank you for the constructive feedback.

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[Lythrilux]

First, let me start off by saying Hi.

Second, let me reference a particular scenario where a certain large contingent of Core|APM- ships logged off in Zeta under very suspicious circumstances, knowing there were hostiles ahead in Delta. Then, not even a minute later, three Threshers and some fighters appear, Core| ships. That was a few weeks ago. I logged on a freighter and was flying through Delta when I noticed some Core| guys hanging around. One attempted to catch me, thus I cloaked. Then, I docked and logged a Gunboat, undocked, and as I did, noticed another Core| Ship in Sigma-15, jumping to a new system. Rather than giving chase, since I knew I wasn't going to catch up, I logged a ship that could potentially interdict you as you went. I bumped the chat, saying "Hey, there's Core moving around, lets see if we can catch them.". Thus, people logged. They logged what they had closest, and moved to find you. One of us found an indy snub, and shot it.

We had ships already logged on in Delta that were under fire and being shot at, so they asked us for helped. We simply swapped ships to provide backup for other Core ships that were already under fire. No, if not minimal, metagaming.

And yes, you logged onto that gunboat when we were in Sigma-15 as an attempt to catch us. When you missed the chance, you hopped onto another ship in a system closer to the Core| convoy. And then you and every other A/) present continued to keep logging off ships and logging onto new ones in an attempt to intercept the Core| ships no matter where they went. By the time I had decided to F1 - because I didn't want to pander to your behaviour - you had jumped across from south-east Rheinland all the way to Cambridge via logging off and on ships. This is what @Hone was banned for. Seeing a faction, furthermore a faction that wants to get officialdom, doing this is awful behaviour. It's Battlegroup Hone at this point.

When Guildkeeper Raven rose to the power of Guildmaster to cover for the absence of Guildmaster Nodtviet. Guildmaster Raven had came across restricted files that were for the view of the current Guildmaster, plans, experiments, research, blueprints. Angry and disappointed at what the Core truly was, Raven immediately began to discreetly copy the data archives over, selecting pieces of information that was relevant, blueprints, plans, the works. The false-hearted Guildmaster uploaded all of the data to the data archives on her personal Warship, the Eidolon Wraith, allowing to be secure - protected by multiple firewalls and an AI unit that heavily guards the information.

Raven was never CEO of AP Manufacturing therefore she wouldn't have had access to those blueprints.

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[Kauket]

Raven was never CEO of AP Manufacturing therefore she wouldn't have had access to those blueprints.

I guess Nodtviet isn't the CEO either.

When you missed the chance, you hopped onto another ship in a system closer to the Core| convoy.

He never swapped - granted I wasn't there for the beginning - but the ship was still logged on throughout the encounter I believe. There was four people on at the time.

He also saw your ship go by in Sigma-15 and briefly scanned you before you jumped. Why would anyone chase an enemy in a slower ship in the same area? He called for other guys on our skype to log - which is what happened, someone else logged a shared fighter. And why would that be ''metagaming''?

I don't think anyone else would be 'swapping ahead' since all of our ships are docked in Sigma-15 or the rare few ones in Koeln. Oh well, too bad everyone logged a Sigma ship at the start huh?


Again. No one was relogging ACROSS the systems. The only ship that relogged was one guy who docked in Stuttgart, swapping to his smaller ship in Cambridge and moved it to Omega 3, which was further away from you and in the opposite direction. Had he intended to go after you, he would have gone to Poole. And I was just waking up and seeing what I could bring that wasn't 75% from having AP guns. Yeah, one of our guys made your guys dock, and?

Hell, you were in a rhino, and were way further ahead and you cruise faster. Why you're complaining is beyond me.

"Oh no, people came to interact with me. " - That's all I see out of this. Because that's what it is. Things didn't go your way. Too bad.

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[Sombs]

Second, let me reference a particular scenario where a certain large contingent of Core|APM- ships logged off in Zeta under very suspicious circumstances, knowing there were hostiles ahead in Delta. Then, not even a minute later, three Threshers and some fighters appear, Core| ships. That was a few weeks ago. I logged on a freighter and was flying through Delta when I noticed some Core| guys hanging around. One attempted to catch me, thus I cloaked. Then, I docked and logged a Gunboat, undocked, and as I did, noticed another Core| Ship in Sigma-15, jumping to a new system. Rather than giving chase, since I knew I wasn't going to catch up, I logged a ship that could potentially interdict you as you went. I bumped the chat, saying "Hey, there's Core moving around, lets see if we can catch them.". Thus, people logged. They logged what they had closest, and moved to find you. One of us found an indy snub, and shot it.

APM does things like this. I had a video capture of that, but deleted it since I didn't thought that would be neccessery to keep. Yet I have the ingame logs. See a bit of the truth here. I don't think anyone should F1 and log other stuff, especially not for the sake of PvP. Also, Lyth, don't overdo it with your tone.

By the way, if these logs are considered "trial by forum", I can send them to both sides later again, although I know Core has them.

Spoiler

Sigma-19
[10.05.2016 17:27:53] Core|APM-Legendary: ?: Good. Fine then. Noone kills each other here.
[10.05.2016 17:28:28] Core|APM-Innovation: but i want the megalodon qq
[10.05.2016 17:29:06] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: invite
[10.05.2016 17:29:09] Core|APM-Legendary: Where's Laz now?
[10.05.2016 17:29:10] Discovery Freelancer is a role-playing server. All attacks must be the result of some form of role play. Shouting "Engaging" or "Halt" is not sufficient.
[10.05.2016 17:29:41] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: SOM SOM SOM BRA!!!!!
[10.05.2016 17:29:50] Core|APM-Legendary: Hooker here!
[10.05.2016 17:30:02] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: Im Shaggadelic baby
[10.05.2016 17:30:08] Core|APM-Legendary: Shaggedalic babey!
[10.05.2016 17:30:10] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: Or is it the Shagmeister
[10.05.2016 17:30:51] Death: Navy-Ace was put out of action by *Applejack* (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:32:19] Core|APM-Legendary: Delta is a bit dangerous now.
[10.05.2016 17:32:32] Death: [SLK]-=Kessie=-[SLK] was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[10.05.2016 17:33:07] Core|APM-Legendary: Who
[10.05.2016 17:33:13] Core|APM-Legendary: Who's poseidon?
[10.05.2016 17:33:16] Death: WV-Poseidon was put out of action by K'Hara|Nu-Mus'Da (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:33:18] Death: head_hunter was put out of action by K'Hara|Anu (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:33:26] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, he's dead now.
[10.05.2016 17:33:38] Core|APM-Legendary: I guess the nomads will pick on us. :/
[10.05.2016 17:33:46] Core|APM-Eternity: don't jump into delta yet
[10.05.2016 17:33:56] Core|APM-Majesty: RV at the JH
[10.05.2016 17:35:00] Core|APM-Eternity: head to zeta
[10.05.2016 17:35:02] Core|APM-Majesty: Zeta
[10.05.2016 17:35:10] Core|APM-Legendary: Why that
[10.05.2016 17:35:15] Core|APM-Majesty: We are gonna trap em
[10.05.2016 17:35:28] Core|APM-Majesty: (Make sure we dont die)
[10.05.2016 17:35:28] Core|APM-Eternity: ye, we're gonna avoid them via the one way jump
[10.05.2016 17:35:54] Core|APM-Legendary: The one way jump exits us at the same JH ^^
[10.05.2016 17:37:34] Death: [SLK]-=Kessie=-[SLK] was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[10.05.2016 17:37:50] Core|APM-Legendary: DUNK EM!
[10.05.2016 17:38:42] Core|APM-Majesty: RV at hole.
[10.05.2016 17:40:33] Core|APM-Eternity: f1 log caps
[10.05.2016 17:40:42] Core|APM-Eternity: best solution
[10.05.2016 17:40:46] Core|APM-Legendary: First class metagame.
[10.05.2016 17:40:52] Core|APM-Majesty: Dont do it.
[10.05.2016 17:41:54] 2016-05-10 17:41:25 SMT : Core|APM-Insight is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:41:55] 2016-05-10 17:41:26 SMT : Core|APM-Eternity is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:41:57] Core|APM-Legendary: Come on, they totally await us. ^^
[10.05.2016 17:41:58] Death: Core|Rosalina,Romanov. was put out of action by Nirrti (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:42:03] Core|APM-Majesty: kk log other things.
[10.05.2016 17:42:11] Core|APM-Majesty: We will be back here when we win
[10.05.2016 17:42:14] 2016-05-10 17:41:45 SMT : Core|APM-Majesty is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:42:21] Core|APM-Innovation: are you shure ?
[10.05.2016 17:42:43] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, Jayce did just get a sanction for a move like this.
[10.05.2016 17:43:46] Core|APM-Legendary: I guess Anu is a Marduk
[10.05.2016 17:43:50] Core|APM-Innovation: it is
[10.05.2016 17:43:57] Core|APM-Innovation: fought it in conn yesterday
[10.05.2016 17:45:22] Core|WV-Contero: inv
[10.05.2016 17:45:50] Core|WV-Contero: hey transports
[10.05.2016 17:45:53] Core|WV-Contero: log something for combat
[10.05.2016 17:45:57] Core|Mike.Jordan: help
[10.05.2016 17:46:01] Death: Core|Mike.Jordan was put out of action by Kakka (Wasp/Hornet).
[10.05.2016 17:46:02] Core|APM-Innovation: ok
[10.05.2016 17:46:05] 2016-05-10 17:45:36 SMT : Core|APM-Innovation is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:46:27] Core|APM-Legendary: Isn't that exactly the same thing Jayce got sanctioned for?
[10.05.2016 17:46:37] Core|Mike.Jordan: 3 k'hara ganked me at minor hole
[10.05.2016 17:46:39] Core|WV-Contero: idk
[10.05.2016 17:46:45] Core|WV-Contero: but i wouldn't say so
[10.05.2016 17:47:48] Core|WV-Contero: legendary?
[10.05.2016 17:47:56] Core|WV-Contero: i'd suggest against staying on a transport
[10.05.2016 17:48:45] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, it's exactly the thing Jayce got sanctioned for, so I won't do the same mistake
[10.05.2016 17:49:30] A player who was killed in a PvP fight is not allowed to re-engage using any of his/her characters within 2 hours.
[10.05.2016 17:49:30] Characters of a player who was killed in a PvP fight must not return into the same system for 2 hours. Check the server rules on the forums for the exceptions to this.
[10.05.2016 17:49:40] Core|WV-Contero: we're not going to get sanctioned for raiding k'hara
[10.05.2016 17:50:23] Core|APM-Legendary: An order guy comes now to Delta
[10.05.2016 17:51:27] Core|WV-Contero: rv yaren
[10.05.2016 17:52:26] Core|APM-Legendary: Where's the battle now? Still at the hole?
[10.05.2016 17:53:39] Shutdown[10.05.2016 17:55:59] Initialising

We all should try to find the mistakes we made. Not only the mistakes other made.

[Vendetta]

Second, let me reference a particular scenario where a certain large contingent of Core|APM- ships logged off in Zeta under very suspicious circumstances, knowing there were hostiles ahead in Delta. Then, not even a minute later, three Threshers and some fighters appear, Core| ships. That was a few weeks ago. I logged on a freighter and was flying through Delta when I noticed some Core| guys hanging around. One attempted to catch me, thus I cloaked. Then, I docked and logged a Gunboat, undocked, and as I did, noticed another Core| Ship in Sigma-15, jumping to a new system. Rather than giving chase, since I knew I wasn't going to catch up, I logged a ship that could potentially interdict you as you went. I bumped the chat, saying "Hey, there's Core moving around, lets see if we can catch them.". Thus, people logged. They logged what they had closest, and moved to find you. One of us found an indy snub, and shot it.

APM does things like this. I had a video capture of that, but deleted it since I didn't thought that would be neccessery to keep. Yet I have the ingame logs. See a bit of the truth here. I don't think anyone should F1 and log other stuff, especially not for the sake of PvP. Also, Lyth, don't overdo it with your tone.

By the way, if these logs are considered "trial by forum", I can send them to both sides later again, although I know Core has them.

Spoiler

Sigma-19
[10.05.2016 17:27:53] Core|APM-Legendary: ?: Good. Fine then. Noone kills each other here.
[10.05.2016 17:28:28] Core|APM-Innovation: but i want the megalodon qq
[10.05.2016 17:29:06] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: invite
[10.05.2016 17:29:09] Core|APM-Legendary: Where's Laz now?
[10.05.2016 17:29:10] Discovery Freelancer is a role-playing server. All attacks must be the result of some form of role play. Shouting "Engaging" or "Halt" is not sufficient.
[10.05.2016 17:29:41] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: SOM SOM SOM BRA!!!!!
[10.05.2016 17:29:50] Core|APM-Legendary: Hooker here!
[10.05.2016 17:30:02] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: Im Shaggadelic baby
[10.05.2016 17:30:08] Core|APM-Legendary: Shaggedalic babey!
[10.05.2016 17:30:10] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: Or is it the Shagmeister
[10.05.2016 17:30:51] Death: Navy-Ace was put out of action by *Applejack* (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:32:19] Core|APM-Legendary: Delta is a bit dangerous now.
[10.05.2016 17:32:32] Death: [SLK]-=Kessie=-[SLK] was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[10.05.2016 17:33:07] Core|APM-Legendary: Who
[10.05.2016 17:33:13] Core|APM-Legendary: Who's poseidon?
[10.05.2016 17:33:16] Death: WV-Poseidon was put out of action by K'Hara|Nu-Mus'Da (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:33:18] Death: head_hunter was put out of action by K'Hara|Anu (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:33:26] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, he's dead now.
[10.05.2016 17:33:38] Core|APM-Legendary: I guess the nomads will pick on us. :/
[10.05.2016 17:33:46] Core|APM-Eternity: don't jump into delta yet
[10.05.2016 17:33:56] Core|APM-Majesty: RV at the JH
[10.05.2016 17:35:00] Core|APM-Eternity: head to zeta
[10.05.2016 17:35:02] Core|APM-Majesty: Zeta
[10.05.2016 17:35:10] Core|APM-Legendary: Why that
[10.05.2016 17:35:15] Core|APM-Majesty: We are gonna trap em
[10.05.2016 17:35:28] Core|APM-Majesty: (Make sure we dont die)
[10.05.2016 17:35:28] Core|APM-Eternity: ye, we're gonna avoid them via the one way jump
[10.05.2016 17:35:54] Core|APM-Legendary: The one way jump exits us at the same JH ^^
[10.05.2016 17:37:34] Death: [SLK]-=Kessie=-[SLK] was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[10.05.2016 17:37:50] Core|APM-Legendary: DUNK EM!
[10.05.2016 17:38:42] Core|APM-Majesty: RV at hole.
[10.05.2016 17:40:33] Core|APM-Eternity: f1 log caps
[10.05.2016 17:40:42] Core|APM-Eternity: best solution
[10.05.2016 17:40:46] Core|APM-Legendary: First class metagame.
[10.05.2016 17:40:52] Core|APM-Majesty: Dont do it.
[10.05.2016 17:41:54] 2016-05-10 17:41:25 SMT : Core|APM-Insight is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:41:55] 2016-05-10 17:41:26 SMT : Core|APM-Eternity is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:41:57] Core|APM-Legendary: Come on, they totally await us. ^^
[10.05.2016 17:41:58] Death: Core|Rosalina,Romanov. was put out of action by Nirrti (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:42:03] Core|APM-Majesty: kk log other things.
[10.05.2016 17:42:11] Core|APM-Majesty: We will be back here when we win
[10.05.2016 17:42:14] 2016-05-10 17:41:45 SMT : Core|APM-Majesty is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:42:21] Core|APM-Innovation: are you shure ?
[10.05.2016 17:42:43] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, Jayce did just get a sanction for a move like this.
[10.05.2016 17:43:46] Core|APM-Legendary: I guess Anu is a Marduk
[10.05.2016 17:43:50] Core|APM-Innovation: it is
[10.05.2016 17:43:57] Core|APM-Innovation: fought it in conn yesterday
[10.05.2016 17:45:22] Core|WV-Contero: inv
[10.05.2016 17:45:50] Core|WV-Contero: hey transports
[10.05.2016 17:45:53] Core|WV-Contero: log something for combat
[10.05.2016 17:45:57] Core|Mike.Jordan: help
[10.05.2016 17:46:01] Death: Core|Mike.Jordan was put out of action by Kakka (Wasp/Hornet).
[10.05.2016 17:46:02] Core|APM-Innovation: ok
[10.05.2016 17:46:05] 2016-05-10 17:45:36 SMT : Core|APM-Innovation is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:46:27] Core|APM-Legendary: Isn't that exactly the same thing Jayce got sanctioned for?
[10.05.2016 17:46:37] Core|Mike.Jordan: 3 k'hara ganked me at minor hole
[10.05.2016 17:46:39] Core|WV-Contero: idk
[10.05.2016 17:46:45] Core|WV-Contero: but i wouldn't say so
[10.05.2016 17:47:48] Core|WV-Contero: legendary?
[10.05.2016 17:47:56] Core|WV-Contero: i'd suggest against staying on a transport
[10.05.2016 17:48:45] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, it's exactly the thing Jayce got sanctioned for, so I won't do the same mistake
[10.05.2016 17:49:30] A player who was killed in a PvP fight is not allowed to re-engage using any of his/her characters within 2 hours.
[10.05.2016 17:49:30] Characters of a player who was killed in a PvP fight must not return into the same system for 2 hours. Check the server rules on the forums for the exceptions to this.
[10.05.2016 17:49:40] Core|WV-Contero: we're not going to get sanctioned for raiding k'hara
[10.05.2016 17:50:23] Core|APM-Legendary: An order guy comes now to Delta
[10.05.2016 17:51:27] Core|WV-Contero: rv yaren
[10.05.2016 17:52:26] Core|APM-Legendary: Where's the battle now? Still at the hole?
[10.05.2016 17:53:39] Shutdown[10.05.2016 17:55:59] Initialising

We all should try to find the mistakes we made. Not only the mistakes other made.

This guy over here being the voice of reason. (^:

You even put the logs of the exact event I was referencing. So, with that, lets not turn this into a trial by forum and move on. Hopefully next time there will be a better interaction for both sides.

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[Kauket]

Second, let me reference a particular scenario where a certain large contingent of Core|APM- ships logged off in Zeta under very suspicious circumstances, knowing there were hostiles ahead in Delta. Then, not even a minute later, three Threshers and some fighters appear, Core| ships. That was a few weeks ago. I logged on a freighter and was flying through Delta when I noticed some Core| guys hanging around. One attempted to catch me, thus I cloaked. Then, I docked and logged a Gunboat, undocked, and as I did, noticed another Core| Ship in Sigma-15, jumping to a new system. Rather than giving chase, since I knew I wasn't going to catch up, I logged a ship that could potentially interdict you as you went. I bumped the chat, saying "Hey, there's Core moving around, lets see if we can catch them.". Thus, people logged. They logged what they had closest, and moved to find you. One of us found an indy snub, and shot it.

APM does things like this. I had a video capture of that, but deleted it since I didn't thought that would be neccessery to keep. Yet I have the ingame logs. See a bit of the truth here. I don't think anyone should F1 and log other stuff, especially not for the sake of PvP. Also, Lyth, don't overdo it with your tone.

By the way, if these logs are considered "trial by forum", I can send them to both sides later again, although I know Core has them.

Spoiler

Sigma-19
[10.05.2016 17:27:53] Core|APM-Legendary: ?: Good. Fine then. Noone kills each other here.
[10.05.2016 17:28:28] Core|APM-Innovation: but i want the megalodon qq
[10.05.2016 17:29:06] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: invite
[10.05.2016 17:29:09] Core|APM-Legendary: Where's Laz now?
[10.05.2016 17:29:10] Discovery Freelancer is a role-playing server. All attacks must be the result of some form of role play. Shouting "Engaging" or "Halt" is not sufficient.
[10.05.2016 17:29:41] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: SOM SOM SOM BRA!!!!!
[10.05.2016 17:29:50] Core|APM-Legendary: Hooker here!
[10.05.2016 17:30:02] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: Im Shaggadelic baby
[10.05.2016 17:30:08] Core|APM-Legendary: Shaggedalic babey!
[10.05.2016 17:30:10] Core|Rosalina,Romanov.: Or is it the Shagmeister
[10.05.2016 17:30:51] Death: Navy-Ace was put out of action by *Applejack* (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:32:19] Core|APM-Legendary: Delta is a bit dangerous now.
[10.05.2016 17:32:32] Death: [SLK]-=Kessie=-[SLK] was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[10.05.2016 17:33:07] Core|APM-Legendary: Who
[10.05.2016 17:33:13] Core|APM-Legendary: Who's poseidon?
[10.05.2016 17:33:16] Death: WV-Poseidon was put out of action by K'Hara|Nu-Mus'Da (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:33:18] Death: head_hunter was put out of action by K'Hara|Anu (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:33:26] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, he's dead now.
[10.05.2016 17:33:38] Core|APM-Legendary: I guess the nomads will pick on us. :/
[10.05.2016 17:33:46] Core|APM-Eternity: don't jump into delta yet
[10.05.2016 17:33:56] Core|APM-Majesty: RV at the JH
[10.05.2016 17:35:00] Core|APM-Eternity: head to zeta
[10.05.2016 17:35:02] Core|APM-Majesty: Zeta
[10.05.2016 17:35:10] Core|APM-Legendary: Why that
[10.05.2016 17:35:15] Core|APM-Majesty: We are gonna trap em
[10.05.2016 17:35:28] Core|APM-Majesty: (Make sure we dont die)
[10.05.2016 17:35:28] Core|APM-Eternity: ye, we're gonna avoid them via the one way jump
[10.05.2016 17:35:54] Core|APM-Legendary: The one way jump exits us at the same JH ^^
[10.05.2016 17:37:34] Death: [SLK]-=Kessie=-[SLK] was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[10.05.2016 17:37:50] Core|APM-Legendary: DUNK EM!
[10.05.2016 17:38:42] Core|APM-Majesty: RV at hole.
[10.05.2016 17:40:33] Core|APM-Eternity: f1 log caps
[10.05.2016 17:40:42] Core|APM-Eternity: best solution
[10.05.2016 17:40:46] Core|APM-Legendary: First class metagame.
[10.05.2016 17:40:52] Core|APM-Majesty: Dont do it.
[10.05.2016 17:41:54] 2016-05-10 17:41:25 SMT : Core|APM-Insight is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:41:55] 2016-05-10 17:41:26 SMT : Core|APM-Eternity is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:41:57] Core|APM-Legendary: Come on, they totally await us. ^^
[10.05.2016 17:41:58] Death: Core|Rosalina,Romanov. was put out of action by Nirrti (Gun).
[10.05.2016 17:42:03] Core|APM-Majesty: kk log other things.
[10.05.2016 17:42:11] Core|APM-Majesty: We will be back here when we win
[10.05.2016 17:42:14] 2016-05-10 17:41:45 SMT : Core|APM-Majesty is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:42:21] Core|APM-Innovation: are you shure ?
[10.05.2016 17:42:43] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, Jayce did just get a sanction for a move like this.
[10.05.2016 17:43:46] Core|APM-Legendary: I guess Anu is a Marduk
[10.05.2016 17:43:50] Core|APM-Innovation: it is
[10.05.2016 17:43:57] Core|APM-Innovation: fought it in conn yesterday
[10.05.2016 17:45:22] Core|WV-Contero: inv
[10.05.2016 17:45:50] Core|WV-Contero: hey transports
[10.05.2016 17:45:53] Core|WV-Contero: log something for combat
[10.05.2016 17:45:57] Core|Mike.Jordan: help
[10.05.2016 17:46:01] Death: Core|Mike.Jordan was put out of action by Kakka (Wasp/Hornet).
[10.05.2016 17:46:02] Core|APM-Innovation: ok
[10.05.2016 17:46:05] 2016-05-10 17:45:36 SMT : Core|APM-Innovation is attempting to engage cloaking device
[10.05.2016 17:46:27] Core|APM-Legendary: Isn't that exactly the same thing Jayce got sanctioned for?
[10.05.2016 17:46:37] Core|Mike.Jordan: 3 k'hara ganked me at minor hole
[10.05.2016 17:46:39] Core|WV-Contero: idk
[10.05.2016 17:46:45] Core|WV-Contero: but i wouldn't say so
[10.05.2016 17:47:48] Core|WV-Contero: legendary?
[10.05.2016 17:47:56] Core|WV-Contero: i'd suggest against staying on a transport
[10.05.2016 17:48:45] Core|APM-Legendary: Well, it's exactly the thing Jayce got sanctioned for, so I won't do the same mistake
[10.05.2016 17:49:30] A player who was killed in a PvP fight is not allowed to re-engage using any of his/her characters within 2 hours.
[10.05.2016 17:49:30] Characters of a player who was killed in a PvP fight must not return into the same system for 2 hours. Check the server rules on the forums for the exceptions to this.
[10.05.2016 17:49:40] Core|WV-Contero: we're not going to get sanctioned for raiding k'hara
[10.05.2016 17:50:23] Core|APM-Legendary: An order guy comes now to Delta
[10.05.2016 17:51:27] Core|WV-Contero: rv yaren
[10.05.2016 17:52:26] Core|APM-Legendary: Where's the battle now? Still at the hole?
[10.05.2016 17:53:39] Shutdown[10.05.2016 17:55:59] Initialising

We all should try to find the mistakes we made. Not only the mistakes other made.

I have to agree that all this finger pointing is stupidly hypocritical and gets us nowhere.

All it is just whining and whining without anything constructive. That's why I tend to avoid the forums. Sometimes.

(Too bad we never got to interact with the Core that day, was also involved in that scenario. ) Either way - let's not degrade this into a petty argument thread.

Morale of the story: No one is perfect. Stop expecting everyone to be pristine perfection. Especially yourselves.

[Lythrilux]

I guess Nodtviet isn't the CEO either.

Well actually Marston is more of an actual CEO right now. Nodtviet is just the face. My point still stands that Raven never became the CEO, thus the claim of having access to blueprints of the ships is void. Furthermore you do not simply build (or re-build) ships with blueprints alone. I'm seeing new A/) AP-Line stuff crop up, which is silly. You even state yourself that you're nomadic in how you traverse Sirius. How would you be able to consistently build these ships?

He never swapped - granted I wasn't there for the beginning - but the ship was still logged on throughout the encounter I believe. There was four people on at the time.

If I recall correctly he swapped from Redeemer (in Sigma-15) to Viper (in Kolen) as we jumped into Frankfurt.

He also saw your ship go by in Sigma-15 and briefly scanned you before you jumped.

He didn't see us though. Myself and my escorts did not see a single A/) ship pop up on our radar throughout this entire 'encounter'. You didn't know what we were flying, not what we were carrying.

Why would anyone chase an enemy in a slower ship in the same area? He called for other guys on our skype to log - which is what happened, someone else logged a shared fighter. And why would that be ''metagaming''?

So rather than chasing an enemy in a slower ship, you have magical teleportation technology that allows you to hop from system to system by warping to a different ship each time? Yeah, I think we should get real.

I don't think anyone else would be 'swapping ahead' since all of our ships are docked in Sigma-15 or the rare few ones in Koeln. Oh well, too bad everyone logged a Sigma ship at the start huh?

But they didn't. They were hopping from Kolen to the Sigmas to the Sigmas to Kolen again and then hopping to Stuttgart to Omega-49 and then to Omega-3 etc etc.

Again. No one was relogging ACROSS the systems. The only ship that relogged was one guy who docked in Stuttgart, swapping to his smaller ship in Cambridge and moved it to Omega 3, which was further away from you and in the opposite direction. Had he intended to go after you, he would have gone to Poole. And I was just waking up and seeing what I could bring that wasn't 75% from having AP guns. Yeah, one of our guys made your guys dock, and?

You entirely knew which route I was taking hence why he logged into Omega-3. The claim that you weren't relogging across systems to intercept the Core| ships is entirely laughable, and I'm sure if we had admin logs it'd tell a very different story. I also wonder what you may have been coordinating via your group chats and the like at the time.

Hell, you were in a rhino, and were way further ahead and you cruise faster. Why you're complaining is beyond me.

Irrelevant when via logging on and off you can just hop to one system ahead and then conveniently park yourself at a jump hole/gate and wait for the Freighter to jump through.

"Oh no, people came to interact with me. " - That's all I see out of this. Because that's what it is. Things didn't go your way. Too bad.

If this is what you call an interaction then I don’t want to interact with you. Please don't try and take the moral high ground here, as neither of the two ships you engaged with minimal roleplay really felt like they had a decent interaction. And I bet if you got your mitts on the Deus it would have suffered the same fate.

APM does things like this. I had a video capture of that, but deleted it since I didn't thought that would be neccessery to keep. Yet I have the ingame logs. See a bit of the truth here. I don't think anyone should F1 and log other stuff, especially not for the sake of PvP. Also, Lyth, don't overdo it with your tone.

By the way, if these logs are considered "trial by forum", I can send them to both sides later again, although I know Core has them.

We all should try to find the mistakes we made. Not only the mistakes other made.

And as I said myself that was minimal metagaming, and we did it because we had two Core| ships already being shot up on the other side (Core|Mike_Jordan and Core|Rosalina.Romav) - so there actually was roleplay involved because two Core| ships were crying for help - and our Transports (not Cau6 minimum, I apologise) would have been fleas to the several Nomad caps and Bombers that were on the other side. You can also see two Core indies being blown up prior (head_hunter and Vindicta).

So excuse me if my conduct was poor for trying to inRPly protect our wingmen as well as not drive into the Nomads in paper-ships that were carrying cargo may I add. I'm highly disappointed how you have taken those logs completely out of context in a feeble bid to cover Battlegroup Auxesia's recent behaviour, Sombra.

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