Admin Decision on the Banned Six

[GuapMan]

[16:42:57] Mephistoles: Your forum account is currently banned. Ban Reason: Unknown
Ban will be lifted: Unknown
[16:42:59] Mephistoles: AYOOOO STILL BANNED

[Morigan]

i have already ask Jack about this and maybe any one other person can give me a reply

And I know that not all admins voted on all "up for ban" people.
I bet Karst's ban was one of the "closer" ones. So let's assume he is close to the 70 % mentioned.
How many Admins voted on him?

You claim it is more votes than 5.
How many were there?

How many people have left Disco and never will back after something in what Karst and "Co" was engaged ?
How many ? What is you's opinion ? ^

Maybe some forum and server stuff include server rules was not finished yet , some roleplay rules, for example , yes , maybe . But it is not mean , i think, need to use this situation for :

1. Not allowed on Discovery forums or server:

1.1 Abusive, vulgar, obscene, political, racist, graphic, pornographic and law-violating materials
1.2 Flaming, trolling and harassing other players
1.3 Advertising
1.4 Adult content or links to it; This also includes any anime that is in any way graphic or pornographic
1.5 Meta/powergaming

, but just in hide , not primary form . Therecoz, as i think , admin's team have full rights for do this . It is valid . I'm about not only Karst's ban , also about others from this company .

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User was banned for: https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthrea...tid=198706
Time left: (Permanent)

[Zynth]

i have already ask Jack about this and maybe any one other person can give me a reply

It's not a case of how many people will leave once Karst and co are banned. It is a matter of whether it is justified or not. Many of us believe the perma-ban is way too harsh is not properly justified.

There is little doubt that Karst has broken rules. However, is the consequence proportional to the infraction? Most of here are arguing that the penalty is way too harsh and the reasons for the sanction, sketchy.

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[Petitioner]

While I agree, Zynth, the primary issue still remains that Lyth and Karst received no sort of process. By Jansen's own admittance, they were banned entirely extrajudicially, and the team has pretty much all but said that they were banned because they ruffled the wrong folks's feathers, not because they were actually being harmful. I don't suppose that we'll get any more out of the administration on this matter, since they've done the seemingly-magnanimous thing and "shown mercy" to the lucky four, and are going to keep Karst and Lyth banned so as to make an example of them -- "don't challenge us".

Then again, I might be being too cynical. Maybe we should just be glad that the totalitarian attitude of the administration seems to be softening a little bit.

[Syrus]

Is this a joke?

People really consider this a solution; this to be the end to the situation that has been going on for way too long already?
This is just a shameful display of wrong.

"Harmful to a lev..." - yeah, harmful to you. That is what seems to matter the most, what criticism had been brought up against the admin team's decisions.

The staff currently is the worst I have seen in all the years I have stuck to Disco - and that is saying a lot. Even dear "team inactivity" did better, at least at that time their actions didn't directly harm the community. In most cases I supported admins having the last word, but that was when the last word at least made some kind of sense. THIS here, is just disgusting. A disgusting display of "we have the power, you don't, now shut up". THAT is more harmful to the community than ANYTHING these still banned individuals could ever have accomplished.

I can only shake my head at this in full disbelief of how someone can make such a wrong decision and then keep talking down from their high point without reviewing why people were so offended by it.
Too long the staff did not do their jobs properly, let it go down the slippery slope that it did, and now you lash out against those who might even have been helpful from time to time, while others who were clearly extremly harmful had even been let back on the server several times. - Yes, not all of you were there for these choices, but sudden harsher punishment should never be introduced without a warning before, and for those two to stay banned even without a warning, the situation has not changed in the slightest.
Where is the evidence of what Karst did, that brought on this ban?


This...is just unbelievable. Mind-boggling.
Can we at least get a non biased mining dev now?
Oh wait, right, you banned the one who might've done it properly, great.

Hope you are happy about the example you made.
Now please also thin out the biased people you have on the team, those which still wonder me how they ever got in there.


Cower in fear for any word you write might be your last.

[Garrett Jax]

I think people are just tired of fighting, Syrus. This isn't an ideal situation. No one is claiming that. It seems that many either just want to move on from this situation, or are sufficiently satisfied that some progress is being made by the Admin team. I would expect that not even individual admins are thrilled about this solution. But, at some point, a decision has to be made and usually the one you come to is one in which nobody is satisfied.

A question I have regarding this final warning is this: After the Final Warning, there is still going to be a ban vote after a month? While this would eliminate the suddenness and shock of a ban announcement, unless the violation is better stated than the violations committed by the six previous, the player under warning will be doomed to fail a ban vote because he will be unclear as to what behavior needs correcting.

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[Cashew]

Is this a joke?

People really consider this a solution; this to be the end to the situation that has been going on for way too long already?
This is just a shameful display of wrong.

"Harmful to a lev..." - yeah, harmful to you. That is what seems to matter the most, what criticism had been brought up against the admin team's decisions.

The staff currently is the worst I have seen in all the years I have stuck to Disco - and that is saying a lot. Even dear "team inactivity" did better, at least at that time their actions didn't directly harm the community. In most cases I supported admins having the last word, but that was when the last word at least made some kind of sense. THIS here, is just disgusting. A disgusting display of "we have the power, you don't, now shut up". THAT is more harmful to the community than ANYTHING these still banned individuals could ever have accomplished.

I can only shake my head at this in full disbelief of how someone can make such a wrong decision and then keep talking down from their high point without reviewing why people were so offended by it.
Too long the staff did not do their jobs properly, let it go down the slippery slope that it did, and now you lash out against those who might even have been helpful from time to time, while others who were clearly extremly harmful had even been let back on the server several times. - Yes, not all of you were there for these choices, but sudden harsher punishment should never be introduced without a warning before, and for those two to stay banned even without a warning, the situation has not changed in the slightest.
Where is the evidence of what Karst did, that brought on this ban?


This...is just unbelievable. Mind-boggling.
Can we at least get a non biased mining dev now?
Oh wait, right, you banned the one who might've done it properly, great.

Hope you are happy about the example you made.
Now please also thin out the biased people you have on the team, those which still wonder me how they ever got in there.


Cower in fear for any word you write might be your last.

Do not sit there and furiously type away a load of nonsense claiming we have no idea what's happening. Claiming we're incapable, claiming we're bias, claiming we're power freaks. Do not moan about the time it took for us to provide the best solution we could. What would you do in this situation? There are plenty of easy ways out. Sure, we could have just unbanned everyone - that was one admin's viewpoint. Yes, we could have just ignored everyone and stayed firm to our decision. Those are easy decisions to make, doesn't make them correct though. We weighed up everything, every consequence. What if I told you there were 4 discussion threads, along with a load of vote threads? The indecisiveness on the best course of action was thoroughly investigated. It's not a five minute job. So please, do not tell me I don't care and I only care about myself. Go and ask some of the banned players, I care - trust me. Be embarrassed, you lie to cause anger among people. Your post holds 0 validity. If I were you I wouldn't be replying to this, because I have the facts and you have your opinion. But if you want an argument, please do humour me.

[Syrus]

Why would I argue with someone who puts himself above me from the very beginning, think about how a player feels when they read your post. It comes over as if you are on a moral highground, but until there's need for "admin actions" both of us are just people of the same community. Or is that already the admin speaking, dangling the sword of "justice" above my head?
In all honesty, is that a way for an admin to act? Yes, you have the facts, the evidence, but that is part of the problem: we don't. We're left in the dark. We just got rumors to work with for some and that's not a good point to start at with such serious matters. Sanctions of such severity need to be very clear on what caused them, both as an example and to stop any discussion dead in its tracks - unquestionable evidence or at least a clear description. (A ban for someone cheating can obviously just state that the person was cheating, no need for extreme details there.)
For most of the banned we can (somewhat) see the reasons (and I would have agreed to a few on that list), but of some others ... overall it just feels inconclusive to just dish out a perma-ban with no prior warning. This overall, this is what makes the whole thing wrong, and this is why everyone deserves it to be undone.
Besides, it feels like it could hit anyone at any minute just as the admins feel like doing it with the lack of proper knowledge for "what exactly deserved a PERMANENT ban". We are not talking about a small thing here, this is pretty much the "death sentence"-penalty for Disco. The "non-plus-ultra of a sanction" available. It should not be thrown around.

You made a mistake and then complain that it backfired heavily. You have the chance to undo it.
The only right choice would have been to unban all of the six and restart the whole matter with this being considered as their last warning, would that not have been the easiest choice to make, and probably the one that'd have put all sides at ease? It would have given you every justification necessary for a ban in a following incident, yet you chose the "not half, not full" option, with a very surprising outcome to any "normal human".


(And yes, there are biased people on your team; for some it might be obvious, but I won't be the one pointing fingers.)

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[Psyentific]

@Syrus You probably shouldn't pick a fight with the admins if you know what's good for you. I'm sure that, if someone took the time to crawl through six years worth of posts, they'd eventually find something worth labelling 'toxic' and, well, you know the rest.

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[Eurobeat]

Here's my opinion.

I moderate a forum for a different online game. On our forum, making all evidence public is mandatory, but that surely does not stop people from spreading rumors anyway. Granted, having the evidence hidden makes more rumors appear, this is obvious. But they would not be staff if it they were abusive or the dictator-types. Sure, some of them might be a little biased, but do you have any idea how rare it is to find anyone who is 100% fair in all situations, not biased and at the same time worthy of being on the staff team? Well it's pretty hard.

They are the admins, we are the players, we have to trust them to do their administrative duties - which they did, when they admitted they were wrong the first time and corrected the for second time.

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