Corsairs and LFs

[Zavier]

I'm in favour of the Corsairs using Tigersharks.

If they aren't allowed, I'm going to wait for Benitez sanctions to roll in, too.

PROBLEMS with other Light Fighters we can use!!!


Arwing: Its got a bugged hitbox, and you can't see -ANYTHING- from it. CD's don't work, you can't dodge its fire, because you can't see it

Decurion: I'm sorry, you want us to use a light fighter thats slower than our heavy fighter, which has 3000 more armor? All turning/strafing of this ship is -horrible-.

Griffon: I'm sorry, you want us to use a light fighter thats slower than the Decurion, which has more armor? Its also huge.

Oh! I know! Lets bash the Corsairs till they all give up and leave, so the Outcasts can rule the Omicrons!

Oh, and while we're at it, lets fine all the Order fighters too, I mean, they can't possibly use both Del Cids and Debbies at the same time, right? I mean, thats just not fair for the Outcasts to counter!

Also, why we're at it, why don't we fine the Outcasts that use debs? Surely they have to face the same consequences as EVERYONE else on the server.

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[McNeo]

How can we be expected to use a civilian ship if we get sanctioned for using civilian guns?

So, its Arwing or Nowing.

Arwing it is!

PS: The Decurion actually has the same maneuverability as the Sabre, which is slightly more than our Centurion.

Oh! I know! Lets bash the Corsairs till they all give up and leave, so the Outcasts can rule the Omicrons!

Thats gonna happen in the end, you know.

[MB52]

I'm surprised theres no LF 2.0 version of the Legionaire... or is there and I just never seen it?

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[wrathkin]

Huh. Read this off-topic post at your own peril.

If you want to fly a LF, just join the KSP already! The Wyrm is a great light fighter ;-)

That being said, I don't really care about corsair LFs.

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[Stoat]

The Corsairs need a LF that's at least functional. Tigershark seems to be the only sensible option to me. Just make sure that only Corsair weapons are used.

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[cmfalconer]

I'm surprised theres no LF 2.0 version of the Legionaire... or is there and I just never seen it?

There is, it's the Decurion, the much maligned Decurion. It's a VHF disguised as an LF.

That being said, I don't really care about corsair LFs.

Then quit trying to boost your post count.

I'm going to post it here after reading the 4-6 other threads (fully) about this problem. Maybe I'm late to the party, but I still have questions that haven't been really answered in the melee.

It's been said by people that the Corsairs aren't to use LF's at all until theirs are fixed. I find this opinion both juvanile and narrow. Light Fighters are there for a reason as a class. Same as Bombers, VHFs, Transports, ad nausium. Telling the Corsairs not to use Light fighters until theirs is fixed is like telling them to go into battle with one hand behind their back. OK, fine. Then give up something equally as necessary. Infernoes...nope. maybe instead your Nano's. No? how 'bout Cruise Disruptors?

If this all started because someone got miffed about a TigerShark, why now? I am genuinely curious about this, as this has been done for months now. Done for honorable reasons too, not "to have the best" as some others have pointed out. Fair play! A novel concept considering the slander that's been passed around because of this decision. If you are the one who threw off the sanction report, please PM me with the why, and the why now? I really want to know.

As for the shield-buster dilemma, maybe they were in the wrong to be using the Debs. Maybe. But like 95% of the community (+/-5%), I was under the impression Civ. Weapons were available to all. But apparently fire and brimstone hailed forth at the discovery of this...last weekend? Again, something that has been going on (apparently) for a while. What triggered this witch-hunt all of a sudden?

Was it wrong? Maybe. Was it the dreaded ooRP? doubtful, but again, maybe. Was it worth the hulabaloo it's dregged up? Maybe. What! you say? Maybe. Yes, maybe.

This has brought about a lot of discussion on what constitutes fair play vs role play. Like it or not, hard-core RP on a game like this, and a mod like Discovery, is nigh impossible. But with a little compromise, a little understanding, and above all, a little maturity, everyone can have a decent experience. No one likes to lose, but whining to mommy and daddy (read: admin) is tantamount to a spoiled child. So Timmy has a bigger water-balloon than you this time. Get wet, get over it, and next time, bring the garden hose. Don't tell mommy to make timmy get rid of his balloons.

What's acceptable? What's not? Good discussion? Yes. Point - It was generally thought Civ weapons were open to all. Someone pointed out that all debs were sold on bases hostile to Corsairs. Corsairs shouldn't be allowed debs...except for AFA-Corsair arms deal. Samura and AFA are AOK, AFA and Corsairs are fair, vis a vis Corsairs with debbies.

But this apparently is not allowed. This would be forwarding the storyline/timeline of Discovery past where it's meant to be. Disco is not the ever-changing world people think it is. I'm surprised the UOG - QCRF peace treaty hasn't come under similar fire. Maybe it's because there aren't as many people involved. Maybe because there isn't as much at stake (what with Outcast-Corsair enmity and pride), but whatever the case, changing the Disco-verse too far isn't allowed...apparently.

So what IS apparent right now is that this whole thing could have been avoided, but wasnt. So instead of crying over spilt milk, lets clean it up and eat our cookies anyway. Give the Corsairs their damn TigerSharks as the Fist has shown in his poll (so far) an overwhelming majority has accepted it. Add to that it's a well-known fact that when they actually have a Light Figher that fits the name, they'll be ridding themselves of the blasted IMG equipment. Also, a Lvl8 RapierII should be in the works for 4.85. OK. Until then, Use your Tizzie and Sal MkI and tough it out. Compromise. No one likes it in the end, but it's a beautiful thing.

Another sticky wicket is the action taken to light this powder keg. Now don't get undies in bunches here, but has a posted sanction ever been recinded? Or has the infallability of the admin team always been sacro-sanct? I know how it works, that a sanction is NOT the voice of one admin, but discussed privately and we only see the end result.

I ask this because while only a few have argued for it, the vast majority has lobbied on behalf of the corsair crew. While Disco is definately not a democracy, I do believe that the community as a whole, both in RP and not, deserve some say into the workings of the server. Without the community, you've got a nice piece or whirring circuits and empty space. Give us a vote on this one, and perhaps the words will be heard with cooler heads.

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[AdamantineFist]

It appears that 89.74% of people who voted think that the Corsairs can use Tigersharks. That seems to me to be a clear majority.

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[Jihadjoe]

It's been said by people that the Corsairs aren't to use LF's at all until theirs are fixed. I find this opinion both juvanile and narrow. Light Fighters are there for a reason as a class. Same as Bombers, VHFs, Transports, ad nausium. Telling the Corsairs not to use Light fighters until theirs is fixed is like telling them to go into battle with one hand behind their back. OK, fine. Then give up something equally as necessary. Infernoes...nope. maybe instead your Nano's. No? how 'bout Cruise Disruptors?

Not quite me thinks. LFs arn't nessesary for anything at all, quite unlike weapons or cruise disruptors.

I have flown into many a winning fight against mixed forces (including caps) with a force of bombers and VHF's. I really don't think an LF is that important in the grand sceme of things.

However I really don't think the tigershark should have been taken away from the corsairs, I just think it should be used in limited numbers, not every other ship being one.

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[mjolnir]

Not quite me thinks. LFs arn't nessesary for anything at all, quite unlike weapons or cruise disruptors.

I have flown into many a winning fight against mixed forces (including caps) with a force of bombers and VHF's. I really don't think an LF is that important in the grand sceme of things.

However I really don't think the tigershark should have been taken away from the corsairs, I just think it should be used in limited numbers, not every other ship being one.

It depends a lot on what you fight in and what you fight against

If you have one of the more agile VHFs and fight against less agile ships there is no need for them. Example Wrath against Titan, Chimaera against Templar. If on the other side you have much slower VHF you usually need the LF support... just ask the QCO.

I don't there is any need to limit the numbers and the "LF-whorage" just makes laugh. As QCO (again) found out LFs are kind of self-limiting. More than 50% of LFs in any force is too much, since they can't deal the necessary amount of damage. There have been fights where QCO had over 80% LFs on their side.. and it didn't go too well for them.

Best is actually teams of 1 LF and 1VHF. LF keeps enemy shields down and keeps him busy.. while the VHF deals hull damage. In larger groups you can go for more like 1LF:2-3VHFs.

This off course works only if you use the right tactic when fighting against LFs. The one that many of the Outcasts used in the last two RoS vs TBH was completely wrong and they paid for it. 2LF team did "rape" their "best" pilots.

Feel free to PM me and ask how to counter LFs.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Yes, Mjolnir is right (again). If certain pilots, including myself (who isn't anything special in a bomber), can nail light fighters from the cockpit of a bomber, I wouldn't worry too much about them being whored.

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