To: Human Beings

[Kauket]

You are being subjective towards things you can't understand. Maybe you should get past denouncing things because they are bad, and ask yourself why they are bad. Maybe they aren't.

I have looked at enough contemporary art and have seen enough rap to deduce my conclusion on the subject.

now I urge you to go read some Sigmund Freud essays as well as how about some Kenneth Frampton, hmm?

Just because you can't see meaning in it, doesn't mean it won't have any.


Everything is beautiful in it's own way, even if it's as simple as Jackson Pollock's work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Pollock
eg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jWq2ZfDbgBI/Ud...4vjeut.jpg


Just because something has certain words, it doesn't devalue it. Execution of the subject doesn't matter too well. Not everything is essay's and boring poems, words, whatever.

[nOmnomnOm]

You are being subjective towards things you can't understand. Maybe you should get past denouncing things because they are bad, and ask yourself why they are bad. Maybe they aren't.

I have looked at enough contemporary art and have seen enough rap to deduce my conclusion on the subject.

now I urge you to go read some Sigmund Freud essays as well as how about some Kenneth Frampton, hmm?

Just because you can't see meaning in it, doesn't mean it won't have any.


Everything is beautiful in it's own way, even if it's as simple as Jackson Pollock's work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Pollock
eg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jWq2ZfDbgBI/Ud...4vjeut.jpg


Just because something has certain words, it doesn't devalue it. Execution of the subject doesn't matter too well. Not everything is essay's and boring poems, words, whatever.

There is a professor that used to give students a picture of something similar to a Jackson Pollock's painting and make them try to find meaning in it.
Once the students had done the exercise to find their deep meanings, the professor then showed them that the picture was a zoomed in photo of his artist's apron.

Contemporary art is basically just that. Make something of any quality, shove some deep meaning behind it, and tell the audience it was made by a "famous" artist.

Done.



Omg so deep!

[Backo]

ARTLY DEFECATION

EDIT: Had to find an alternative way to link this because of forum's mean wordies filter.

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[Kauket]

You are being subjective towards things you can't understand. Maybe you should get past denouncing things because they are bad, and ask yourself why they are bad. Maybe they aren't.

I have looked at enough contemporary art and have seen enough rap to deduce my conclusion on the subject.

now I urge you to go read some Sigmund Freud essays as well as how about some Kenneth Frampton, hmm?

Just because you can't see meaning in it, doesn't mean it won't have any.


Everything is beautiful in it's own way, even if it's as simple as Jackson Pollock's work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Pollock
eg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jWq2ZfDbgBI/Ud...4vjeut.jpg


Just because something has certain words, it doesn't devalue it. Execution of the subject doesn't matter too well. Not everything is essay's and boring poems, words, whatever.

There is a professor that use to give students a picture of something similar to a Jackson Pollock's painting and make them try to find meaning in it.
Once the students had done the exercise to find their deep meanings, the professor then showed them that the picture was a zoomed in photo of his artist's apron.

Contemporary art is basically just that. Make something of any quality, shove some deep meaning behind it, and tell the audience it was made by a "famous" artist.

Done.



Omg so deep!

Now that's just plain ignorant. I could use the same logic and go "boo hoo he's a professor, he's still a person, anyone can say that, big deal. " - But they all have their own visual fascination and attraction, their own distinction. You can't replicate genuine things, you can't have the same drawing style as one person, nor the hand writing style. It's unique to the person.



Now, what a real disappointment was seeing this thing in London the other week. http://i.imgur.com/4mIqT2R.png

probably the only half interesting thing I saw there was the weird people in costumes outside the museum
http://i.imgur.com/vpCN7D4.png

[nOmnomnOm]

Is it ignorant? Or is it more like what people have been brainwashed to agree to the main stream of what contemporary art is and try so hard to find something good about it, and then facing reality that it is actually just a dirty apron with paint smeared on it.

Yep. A urinal is not art but when you flip it upside down it is now a fountain! Wow!
It has the artist's signature and date on it and that is all that counts.

I see it more of a spit in the face to people that can actually create things and have talent.


edit: anyway back to my point on my rap comment
I find it funny how he used rap to comment on the school system.
As in...
Yo let me slice some rhymes on academia and say they are worthless and dont do anything for kids
yo yo yo education what is that?

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[Corile]

Except comparing contemporary art to rap is fallacious in pretty much every way.

Can't be bothered to write why cause PragerU already did it for me.

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[Traxit]

this thread is full of booo schitt.

ya don't go to school ya don't have a future, disagree? want school to be different? well good luck changing that.

here in israel a person that goes to school and later studies at uni or while in service can get a job from a business owner to working in high tech, all depends on how much you dedicate to get that future.

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[Petitioner]

the for of a rap, which is the lowest form of talking,

I'm quite curious as to what leads you to make this statement. Would you care to elaborate a bit?

Is it found in academia?
Does rap give lots of swearing?

As Thunderer said, just being found in academia doesn't have any bearing on the argument presented in the original post's video, especially considering that the video is speaking ill of academia in the first place. There is not (supposed to be) any fu- er... intercourse present in academia either, but I don't believe that automatically relegates sexual congress to the lowest form of physical interaction between humans. However, you would be wrong in saying that rap isn't found in academia in the first place; middle and high school students in the US often make music or music videos as part of projects for their classes (this is done in collgee as well, albeit more seriously and much less frequently), and rap is an increasingly-popular genre used in this. If you don't think that counts as "academia", though, there's always this, which would necessarily imply that academic studies of and upon hip-hop (and certainly rap as well, though I admit I couldn't find anything about it from less than thirty seconds of googling) have also been conducted.

The sentence "does rap give lots of swearing?", as written, doesn't really make much sense to me, but I assume you're saying that rap is a low form of communication because it is typified by containing lots of profane vocabulary. I would counter this assertion by stating that profane vocabulary is already found in academia in the first place. I can go into more detail than simply giving this link, if you really want me to, but I think you're smart enough to do your own research regarding this from here on out.

Finally, I'd like to say that I take umbrage with the idea of any form of communication being "low". Not only is that a very subjective term (unless you believe in some form of virtue ethics that applies morality to aesthetics), it implicitly asserts a judgment of the humans that engage in that form of communication or appreciate it. I'm going to go off on a limb here and say that you think rap is essentially trivial because most rap music you've heard deals with base urges, daily life, or things commonly regarded as "fleeting pursuits" (money, sex, etc). As a counterexample, listen to this track (content warning: child and drug abuse) (lyrics here). Not only does this track not contain a single instance of profane language, it's a strong example of that old phrase we've all probably laughed at so often; "rap is poetry in motion". Mike and El P's delivery of the lyrics is restrained, but especially in the parts of the song about the military, is incredibly passionate, which helps to deliver far more of an emotional impact than simply reading lyrics alone does. Mike fesses up to all of his listeners about something terrible he's done in his life, and relates an extremely emotional experience. It's unambiguous that they put their souls into this track. Of course, that's not to say that some rap music isn't about much more "base" experiences (like this track, also by RTJ -- profanity warning), but the point is that by far most rap is intended to tell a story, convey personal emotions like anger, love, and regret, or get a point across to the audience -- exactly like any other lyrical medium that humans have ever utilized.

But, I mean, if you're trying to say there's something inherently stupid and bad about the lyrical style of rap rather than any less-inherent traits of contemporary mainstream rap songs, feel free to disregard the above; I just think that position would be much less tenable than even your current one.

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[nOmnomnOm]

I would compare Rap to the arts just like i would compare contemporary art to the arts.

Except comparing contemporary art to rap is fallacious in pretty much every way.

/read

"the arts"

not "art"

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[nOmnomnOm]

edit: anyway back to my point on my rap comment
I find it funny how he used rap to comment on the school system.
As in...
Yo let me slice some rhymes on academia and say they are worthless and dont do anything for kids
yo yo yo education what is that?

@Petitioner

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