Well, you're trying to be multiple things at once, and that is not how Discovery works with their factions. You either are research, trading or fighting. If you desperately want to trade, don't use a Zoner ID, because Zoners have left house space and define themselves as Zoners because they don't want to live with the house laws and house problems. Thus the Whale for example is an Edge World transport, which is backed up by the inability to dock in-house. If you want to make money to self-fund, do it like anyone else and join a trading faction or at least use a trader/corporate ID. They are the money makers, not Zoners and especially not researchers.
What you could do though is SRPing a Whale. Buy one inRP, contact Liberty, Bretonia, Kusari, Rheinland and Gallia to get permission to use it in their sovereign areas and if the SRP is greened, you can trade everywhere.
You need to keep in mind that the houses couldn't care less about Zoners. People that actively chose to not be house people. Thus they are welcome to move through the house with ships that otherwise need a corporate license but they don't want them to take advantage of it. Like, if it was different, every Freelancer could just get a Zoner license and trade the hell out of it. But for that kind of interaction are corporate IDs simply made. If you want to trade, be a trader.
yes I am trying to do to many things are once . but i have goals for everything.... everyyyyything. i am more a diplomat then a researcher but there is no room for diplomats on discovery and seems for researchers as well. everything is handled at the tip of the sword. reference the afore mentioned "itchy trigger fingers". our goal i am not even sure can even be done on discovery and may turn out to be a total waste of time that could be spent do a crossword puzzle or at least a gundam model...pppfft we want to make something tangible that people can use on there ships. i would think that is want the endgame would be for researchers. BUT! there a lot of who where and whys that can not seem to find answers to. i have rambled on long enough i guess we will just do what we been doing and hope for best.
You're surprised to meet triggerfinger lolwuts in Liberty when roaming around with a Neph? Like, the Neph is THE ship that is abused in 90% by lolwuts. ORIZON, Arcadia, FREEDOM, just to name a few. You didn't even register your Nephs here: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=149661 - for example. You can really do much in Discovery, but you need to play along the rules and IDs and get the idea behind their balancing. You can try being many things, but in the end, you will be balanced if you want it or not.
(05-23-2017, 08:25 AM)MotokoSusu Wrote: yes I am trying to do to many things are once . but i have goals for everything.... everyyyyything. i am more a diplomat then a researcher but there is no room for diplomats on discovery and seems for researchers as well. everything is handled at the tip of the sword. reference the afore mentioned "itchy trigger fingers". our goal i am not even sure can even be done on discovery and may turn out to be a total waste of time that could be spent do a crossword puzzle or at least a gundam model...pppfft we want to make something tangible that people can use on there ships. i would think that is want the endgame would be for researchers. BUT! there a lot of who where and whys that can not seem to find answers to. i have rambled on long enough i guess we will just do what we been doing and hope for best.
Why do you need a 5k whale or a neph for diplomatic attempts in the first place?
Most reason are mentioned here.
ooRP, because of balancing the game.
inRP, because Zoners would overwhelm the house corporations.
Uh Crypto the neph is not for diplomatic ventures I only mentioned I am more a diplomat then a researcher and that is because of my RL background. also Hookier the whole LN thing iwas I asked permission and was granted it to be in Penny for a few day at the Zoners Base as a RP shore leave and other LN show up and started a whole fracas over it. I did my due diligent in asking permission. this registry is something they just started. I have to ask why the CoF want people to register their nephs for I don't even fall under their flag so to say. need more answers on that
Actually, the reason against Zoners being unable to land in House Space (note that systems like Pennsylvania, Dublin or Bremen are excluded from such restriction) is quite simple: they are neutral to everyone - so that's a gameplay restriction. It is to promote trading via Corporate factions, which are not neutral to pirates (or at least, most pirate factions).
Also, if everyone flew Zoners, there would be possibility that official Zoner faction(s) could be able to FR5 all the pirates for piracy - because pirates would have no other transports to target. Such an explanation of heavy traders excluded from landing onto bases within House Space (blue bold systems) also has the inRP basis, because Zoners aren't really liked by lawful authorities - yet I think the corporations would clearly lobby the government in order to get rid of unwanted rival in form of neutral-to-all Zoners.
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(05-23-2017, 08:47 AM)MotokoSusu Wrote: Uh Crypto the neph is not for diplomatic ventures I only mentioned I am more a diplomat then a researcher and that is because of my RL background. also Hookier the whole LN thing iwas I asked permission and was granted it to be in Penny for a few day at the Zoners Base as a RP shore leave and other LN show up and started a whole fracas over it. I did my due diligent in asking permission. this registry is something they just started. I have to ask why the CoF want people to register their nephs for I don't even fall under their flag so to say. need more answers on that
Excuse me, just wanted to overflew the thread and wanted to contribute my words for looking important.
Well, the CoF is regulary the collaboration of any zoner station administrative/owner/...
At least to give some structure into Zoners. Even I disagree with the current restructuring that the official factions isolate themself into admistrating all (before nearly any base had quite of an independent administration or at least a faction that was regional of sense inRP) and even having a leading figure.
No, you don't need to register your neph at the CoF, but then your vessel won't fall under CoF rules and certainly won't receive sort of a secure.
@"Crypto" I also disagree with the fact that Zoners try to unify themselves. My opinion was that Zoners are like Freelancers - a generic faction that shouldn't be represented by anyone as a whole. Zoners are, by lore, civilians. Very loose in a manner even weaker than IMG or BHG, which are actual organizations with a certain long-term goal. Zoners, like Freelancers, are bunch of disaffiliated people happening to fly under one IFF.
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Sooooo then the CoF is in some why attempting a power grab it seems by having a central control setting up a sort of government in so many words. BUT!!! as Hookier stated the neph is not for offensive. I have a feeling that the CoF is looking to form a navy on the backs of the free zoners to fight the core or what ever little battle they can think of. at least that is how I see it. it my Asian natural suspicion to question everything. it not like they come out and say " Hay Kids register you Neph today and get a free gunboat along with other great prizes and all you have to do is be at our beckon call" things like registry with out explanation is big red flag to me like hiding razor in apple "it look good until you bit into it"