The Fallen Angels "A" - FAQ & Feedback

[Fallen Angels]

The Royal Navy Foreign Legion supports this Resurrection so long as it makes sense inRP.

We also look forward to interacting with you ingame, what will be your new stance toward Auxesia and Bretonia hostile?

Will you remain a lawful pseudo-vigilante group or will the renewed version return to its Outcast routes?

What do you guys think of Gallia?

We have no existing relationship with Gallia and have never interacted. I don't even think old RoS did either. Aux is not hostile and neither is Bretonia.
We are not being a vigilante group like last time.

I can tell you now, the lore of Disco is about 70% player created. Most the factions from Freelancer were set pieces in a Hollywood cliché story that only had depth added to them due to player interest and creativity. Modern Disco is quite literally what we have made it, absurdity and all.

What fits and what doesn't is a matter of opinion at this point but if people want to create something and it doesn't warp the reality of Disco, I say go for it.
Best of luck to you guys.

Thanks for the faith @Croft
Hope it all goes well.

Anyway, retcons are as follows:

Battlegroup Auxessia - Roleplay and Meeting Retconned, we have never met.
BDM & Rheinland - Interactions and Diplomacy Retconned.
IC - Retconned
IMG - Everything Retconned. (Considering current politics with the Outcasts, another attempt might prove rather interesting.)
IRG - Left Alone, everything is as it was at last contact.
Kingdom of Bretonia - Interactions and Diplomacy Retconned.
The Core - Retconned.
The Lane Hackers - Retconned

You can not retcon stuff unilaterally, especially not in such a massive way. Retcon is last resort solution which is to be used as solution of serious problems, not something you pick just because you don´t like something. Don´t be surprised if some parties will refuse to play along and will continue to treat you according to previous roleplay. Some players basically could not be willing to pretend they never met you and talked with you when they did, it´s quite awkward.

You need to choose if you want to continue the legacy and thus live with history of your faction, or you want to create a new faction with clean slate. You can not have both. Diplomacy and general direction shifts are fine, it happens, but trying to wipe part of history of the faction just because you decided you do not want it anymore is wrong.

We get this perspective, it's understandable. Retcons are a horrible thing to do. In hindsight, we should have just done a blanket retcon and contact people prior whether they'd be okay with such a thing. The initial reason for the retcon idea being chosen is that our lore has vastly changed and things that transpired before, might not have made sense or wouldn't work. We would have just retconned Bretonia & Rheinland for this reason, as they are the only two massively affected by this (that being said, I'm still up RP with the BDM, but perhaps not Rheinland as a whole); if we had just done that however, those two would have just been more annoyed.

So far a number of groups affected by this have come forth to discuss this and find an agreeable solution. As stated prior, we are fine with not retconing everything as we still want to RP with many of the groups affected. This method at least allows for those affected, and those that actually care, to come forward and discuss the issue. So, as a general note to everyone who is affected by this, if you are affected by a retcon, send the faction account a message. We are more than happy to discuss the issue.

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[Yber]

you obviously try to pose as if you can't properly understand words

you don't get to decide retcons, any retcon is voted by the admin team and the development team after discussing it, and since you haven't forwarded it to them, it's illegitimate and delusional to act the way you are, saying "deal with it or bother talking to us"

[Cygnatt's Alt]

Why bring a faction back if you are going to pretend that interactions with other groups never happened? Why not just create a new faction with a clean slate?

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[Zyliath]

Speaking as a member of the Fallen Angel's HC here.

It seems to me that you guys and girls have clearly misunderstood the retcon thingie. Here, te me explain it once more:
The retcon was forumlated like this in order to allow these factions that felt their RP to be harmed in some way to come forward and speak with us. And just in case, I'll quote this:

The initial reason for the retcon idea being chosen is that our lore has vastly changed and things that transpired before, might not have made sense or wouldn't work. We would have just retconned Bretonia & Rheinland for this reason, as they are the only two massively affected by this (that being said, I'm still up RP with the BDM, but perhaps not Rheinland as a whole); if we had just done that however, those two would have just been more annoyed.

So far a number of groups affected by this have come forth to discuss this and find an agreeable solution. As stated prior, we are fine with not retconing everything as we still want to RP with many of the groups affected. This method at least allows for those affected, and those that actually care, to come forward and discuss the issue. So, as a general note to everyone who is affected by this, if you are affected by a retcon, send the faction account a message. We are more than happy to discuss the issue.

I hope it is clearer now.

Onto the other issue: troll posts.
If you have doubts on our factions, or problems with our members that you wish to point out, and related - feel free to post in our feedback thread, even for questions. We'll be more than happy to answer them.

However, troll posts are not tolerated, especially from a veteran player like you, @Yber - you are the proof of what I would call 'bittervet'.
I will issue one and only warning: refrain from trollposting/bullposting. Seriously.
If this is a continuing trend, there will be consequences.

I hope I made myself clear.
~ Zyl

EDIT: Actually, Yber is out-of-place in here, as the Fallen Angels never RPd with the Military.

[Yber]

Again, you're taking the stance of "we do whatever we want without asking anyone, but you can talk to us and maybe, if we want to, we'll keep what we want to keep". That's the same as if RHA dissapeared and became a thing again after some time saying "we're retconning that RM and us ever met, unless the RM leader comes talk to ME", or that the LN-RM war occured. A poor attempt to get away with a copypasta startup. For the last time, you don't get to impose anything to anyone. If you had gone and talked with the relevant people in place and THEN agreed to do what you are trying to pull off down there, things would be different.

You classify players by the factions they lead now? Assuming I don't play anything besides [RM]? Maybe your metagaming has gotten to such a high level after resorting to retconning that you now know every ship I possess and what I've done with them.

And to answer your concern about roleplay between the faction I lead and your ragtag copypasta group: no we haven't, and we hopefully won't have to. Your threat sounds hilarious to me.

You are just lazy.

[Jayce]

Retcons should be disallowed, period. Deleting effort you put in is one thing, deleting effort someone else has put in is another.

Shame on you.

[Kauket]

Please just make an entirely new faction if you're just going to be retconning stuff. Act as a new political figure, don't delete the RP. I don't agree with these retcons at all.

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[Jack_Henderson]

Easy thing: You CANNOT retcon unilaterally.
The IMG roleplay with the faction is not being treated as "never happened" from the IMG side.
Deal with it.

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[Backo]

Don't want to be mean but retconning roleplay that concerns other factions without their permission is a pretty bad move as it compromises their roleplay integrity especially if roleplay regarding your faction in question had any significance to their own's development. This isn't 1984 that 1 day we're at war with Euroasia and the next we're keen allies against East Asia.

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[Fallen Angels]

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Keep it civil Zyl. No need for hostility.

Again, you're taking the stance of "we do whatever we want without asking anyone, but you can talk to us and maybe, if we want to, we'll keep what we want to keep". That's the same as if RHA dissapeared and became a thing again after some time saying "we're retconning that RM and us ever met, unless the RM leader comes talk to ME", or that the LN-RM war occured. A poor attempt to get away with a copypasta startup. For the last time, you don't get to impose anything to anyone. If you had gone and talked with the relevant people in place and THEN agreed to do what you are trying to pull off down there, things would be different.

You classify players by the factions they lead now? Assuming I don't play anything besides [RM]? Maybe your metagaming has gotten to such a high level after resorting to retconning that you now know every ship I possess and what I've done with them.

And to answer your concern about roleplay between the faction I lead and your ragtag copypasta group: no we haven't, and we hopefully won't have to. Your threat sounds hilarious to me.

You are just [b]lazy.

There are a couple of things here. About your example of RHA, there is a big difference given RHA is years old and mine was around for only a month, but that's not the point here.

A poor attempt to get away with a copypasta startup.

You take note, as I've said a couple of times now, and in the FAQ, this is not just a copy and paste of the old faction (ignoring the fact I was HC and co-writer of the old faction, and Dim - the old leader - is in this faction). A large portion of the initial post has been rewritten and the extended lore has been written from scratch. The only thing that is definitely the same is the origins of the faction, as that hasn't changed and has no reason to.

For the last time, you don't get to impose anything to anyone. If you had gone and talked with the relevant people in place and THEN agreed to do what you are trying to pull off down there, things would be different.

I agree with you on this. As said above, in hindsight I should have gone to the leaders and those involved. I've already stated this. The only reason *now* I'm still saying I'm encouraging people to come to me is because I don't even know half the people involved with the associated factions. If we take Vendetta for example, he simply stated his concerns, and we went and discussed them (and still are). Now using Bretonia as an example: Neither we or they actually recall what RP was conducted, so there was no issue (if I correctly understood what was said in the chat that is). Try and understand I'm not aiming to cause issues here, and we're taking all of this feedback on board. Contrary to what you see in most places, we actually care about the feedback received.

Retcons should be disallowed, period. Deleting effort you put in is one thing, deleting effort someone else has put in is another.

Thats a fair opinion and statement.

Easy thing: You CANNOT retcon unilaterally.
The IMG roleplay with the faction is not being treated as "never happened" from the IMG side.
Deal with it.

Understood Jack. Removing you from the list. Thanks.

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