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Biggles · 07-28-2017, 12:15 PM,

(07-28-2017, 11:26 AM)sasapinjic Wrote: @Xoria trow in little confusion mentioning Junkers here lol .
It is not Junker ID who fly to Galia , but Players in Junkers collect Premium in Texas then load them in Kishiro/Samura/Dauman/ALG/etc Transports that do delivery .

Not the case, Junkers do (and should be able to) run scrap themselves. It's a valid point.

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sasapinjic · 07-28-2017, 01:32 PM,

(07-28-2017, 12:15 PM)Biggles Wrote:
(07-28-2017, 11:26 AM)sasapinjic Wrote: @Xoria trow in little confusion mentioning Junkers here lol .
It is not Junker ID who fly to Galia , but Players in Junkers collect Premium in Texas then load them in Kishiro/Samura/Dauman/ALG/etc Transports that do delivery .

Not the case, Junkers do (and should be able to) run scrap themselves. It's a valid point.

Junkers do transport scrap to some customers law companies cant, like to Outcasts and Corsairs.

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Neptune · 07-28-2017, 04:04 PM,

I've only just now had the chance to review these proposed changes. At first glance, they look interesting. Though 2 ores specifically stick out for me as DHC: Uncut Diamonds, Raw Hydrocarbons.

We by lore specialise in Diamonds and 'compete' with BMM for Raw Hydrocarbons (3.0x bonus) in O-3.

First on Uncut Diamonds: I greatly appreciate the diversity of sale points but this ore needed a price bump rather than a sale point shift one lane closer; currently it sells for 10036 on Roanne in Lyonnais, yet for comparison Kruger's Silver is 12079 one lane down on Montbrison which makes no sense. If a 'balance' had to be applied it's a slight bump in price on Roanne, which btw makes more sense as sale destination rather than a 'space port'. Current sale destinations for reference:

Quote:MAIN - Bretonia - New London - Waterloo Station - $7352
MAIN - Gallia - Lyonnais - Roanne Production Facility - $10036
MAIN - Liberty - New York - Planet Manhattan - $10108

Second on Raw Hydrocarbons: Maybe @"Wasserdrache" can chime in here as well. Just by looking at the proposed destinations, I can see that this is somewhat biased toward Kusari factions. In my opinion this change will make mining this ore highly unattractive, unless bonus is increased to 4.0 and the proposed price on Harrisburg will be far greater than 8k/unit. Currently it's mining is justified and redeemed by the fact that on the return trip to Bretonia, haulers have access to Alu ore in Munich. I think we should be encouraging mining factions to mine everything they have a bonus on, not just 4.0x ores. PL Nuremberg currently provides both BMM & DHC with a route that makes sense and is balanced. Even Samura/Kishiro's current sale destinations are OK as they are. I'd suggest keeping Nuremberg but perhaps buffing the ore in Gallia. Current sale destinations for reference:

Quote:MAIN - Rheinland - Munich - Planet Nuremberg - $8288
MAIN - Kusari - New Tokyo - Narita Outpost - $6461
MAIN - Gallia - Ile-de-France - Planet New Paris, Saint-Denis - $7105

I'd like to also ask about the change in sale destination of Aluminum ore from Southampton Shipyard to Thames Outpost. Why is this necessary? I suppose it shortens the route slightly for 'powertraders', other than that I see no rhyme or reason to it. I'd rather keep Southampton Shipyard.

One last thing I'd like to ask: it would be good if Oder can be added as another sellpoint for Military Salvage, even if its price will be mediocre given the distance from Bering to New Berlin. I believe that was the initial proposed plan anyway as outlined here by @Goldberg.

Some good changes here and there, very curious to see the final version with prices included.

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ronillon · 07-28-2017, 04:37 PM,

(07-28-2017, 02:01 AM)Xoria Wrote: For the same reason gold ore will not have a sale point in Magellan: the distance between source and destination are too close. You're welcome to choose another location farther away that routes through at least one of the Houses.

Why does it matter? Helium in Pennsylvania is mined 15k from nearest sell point. It is better to have more options in route planning.

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WesternPeregrine · 07-28-2017, 04:42 PM,

(07-28-2017, 04:37 PM)ronillon Wrote:
(07-28-2017, 02:01 AM)Xoria Wrote: For the same reason gold ore will not have a sale point in Magellan: the distance between source and destination are too close. You're welcome to choose another location farther away that routes through at least one of the Houses.
Why does it matter? Helium in Pennsylvania is mined 15k from nearest sell point. It is better to have more options in route planning.

Hellium is Hellium, it's existence is designed for a specific purpose, that is not on par with the rest of the mineable commodities.

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ronillon · 07-28-2017, 04:54 PM,

(07-28-2017, 04:42 PM)WPeregrine Wrote:
(07-28-2017, 04:37 PM)ronillon Wrote:
(07-28-2017, 02:01 AM)Xoria Wrote: For the same reason gold ore will not have a sale point in Magellan: the distance between source and destination are too close. You're welcome to choose another location farther away that routes through at least one of the Houses.
Why does it matter? Helium in Pennsylvania is mined 15k from nearest sell point. It is better to have more options in route planning.
Hellium is Hellium, it's existence is designed for a specific purpose, that is not on par with the rest of the mineable commodities.

Why cannot Gold or Copper be Hellium too? Maybe slightly underpriced, but still, it would allow new players to start in other places other than Liberty without having to make some cash in Liberty first. I really dont see any harm in sellpoint beeing on the nearest suitable planet/station, with low enough price ofcourse.

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Xoria · 07-29-2017, 11:25 PM,

Teerin and I spent the afternoon discussing how to localize most ore fields into single systems, and the OP has been updated with the results. Secondary sources that are no longer on the list will drop the vanilla commodity instead of the ore. In order to split up the dual platinum source in Alberta/Nagano and the dual aluminum source in Munich/Picardy there will be two platinum commodities representing different isotopes and effectively two separate platinum ores. Aluminum will only be sourced in Munich, and a new molybdenum ore will replace it in Picardy. Ignitable Toxic Waste will be mine-able in IDF, and Reactive Toxic Waste will be mine-able in Leeds as ores for the benefit of EFL and ALG. I have not set up destinations for any of these yet.

Impyness · 07-29-2017, 11:30 PM,

Why is Premium Scrap being moved out of Texas and into Bering when Bering is already getting a new unique mining commodity?

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Xoria · 07-29-2017, 11:40 PM,

(07-29-2017, 11:30 PM)Impyness Wrote: Why is Premium Scrap being moved out of Texas and into Bering when Bering is already getting a new unique mining commodity?

I'll have to defer to Teerin as to why one system is a higher priority for lore and/or gameplay reasons than the other, since we used his ratings of those for each commodity.

**Petitioner** · 07-30-2017, 01:43 AM,

In order to compensate for the lack of an ability to mine hydrocarbons, will Kishiro finally be getting a full bonus on some other mining commodity, as we should have had since the beginning regardless?

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