A deliberation on player-driven RP and dev/admin intervention

[Jack_Henderson]

Stop warmongering, you already caused enough damage to the official zoner factions.

Damage?
You would have got the coolest base in the whole game - a carrier group, dockable, mobile... what Zoners should look like in the vastness of Omicrons... triggered by player-driven action. No one would have lost anything, it would have been a win-win situation.

Instead you keep an easy to attack, always harrassed Freeport that raises questions of legitimacy after x-times of being attacked, damaged, etc.

Bad choice.
Sad!

[Sombs]

Stop warmongering, you already caused enough damage to the official zoner factions.

Damage?
You would have got the coolest base in the whole game - a carrier group, dockable, mobile... what Zoners should look like in the vastness of Omicrons... triggered by player-driven action. No one would have lost anything, it would have been a win-win situation.

Instead you keep an easy to attack, always harrassed Freeport that raises questions of legitimacy after x-times of being attacked, damaged, etc.

Bad choice.
Sad!

I guess I should call my Skype contacts and let them make INDIE IMG ships and attack Gallia and Bretonia, so you can have what you want for IMG, when they replace Java and maybe Aland with a battlecruiser.

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[Jayce]

Regarding Delta, I proposed destroying/claiming Freeport 11 but having a neutral zoner dock remain within the system as a Zoner Flotila - a dockable Nephilim with a stationary cruiser escort in the shape of weapon platforms. It could have been a logical progression and would not have removed docking abilities of uninvolved parties. Sadly, it was shot down in favor of...nothing much, really. I am still not certain what the issue with it was, but there are already enough things I do not personally consult the development team with to add system devving as one of them.

This! THIS! T H I S!

This would have been great!
Do it.

Stop warmongering, you already caused enough damage to the official zoner factions.

What damage? Please provide specific examples.

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[Sombs]

Using Zoner indies that didn't behave like Zoners at all to drag all three official Zoner factions into an FR5 with the Core, for example?

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[Jayce]

No true Scotsman.

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[Enkidu]

No true Scotsman.

Good point. The ID -is- the playerbase for that ID.

Zoners don't usually go around in Makos, either. Not taking a dig, just articulating that a Zoner is whatever anybody makes it.

[Sombs]

Well, of course you'd try to say something clever, but the execution of what happened back then was dumb. Making on-spot lore and forcing it for some weird reason on TAZ, OSI and IRG while Cael and Jack on indies and Shiz on his cringy Order-Zoner-40k-Marines faction attempt were literally going nuts in Delta pretending they represent FP11 with some secret skype lobby FP11 chat was a pretty bad and disgraceful move and I'd like to slap them every single time they start warmongering on IDs they never play otherwise. As I said, I don't make IMG indies and start shooting Gallia either.

Things would be less bad if they would have had the decency to finish what they started, but after like six months, while negotiations are about to get a peace treaty running, is even worse.

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[Emperor Tekagi]

Well, of course you'd try to say something clever, but the execution of what happened back then was dumb. Making on-spot lore and forcing it for some weird reason on TAZ, OSI and IRG while Cael and Jack on indies and Shiz on his cringy Order-Zoner-40k-Marines faction attempt were literally going nuts in Delta pretending they represent FP11 with some secret skype lobby FP11 chat was a pretty bad and disgraceful move and I'd like to slap them every single time they start warmongering on IDs they never play otherwise. As I said, I don't make IMG indies and start shooting Gallia either.

You do not see the bigger picture, lots of people made a mess out of this. You weren't even part of CoF back then. Also Cael was true Zoner since years, the "skype lobby" was tons of people, most of them being part of factions who helped inRP the Zoners to repair the station, also to have organized logs to counter Core loggings. What do you expect? Indies to not play their part in a war? Also aren't indie actions having no actions followed by your own logic too? =)

In this case, of FP 11, many wanted it, many were confused. In the end it brought activity. All because of Core| and, yes, an indie. CoF would have never made an activity spike like this, clearly.


Leave that old story be, continue with what happened and stop trying to go counter act against those who helped the most back then. Make the best out of it, actually having Zoner assets protecting the FP as they are too paranoid to trust any involved party could be a nice option too you know

Edit: And with this I step out of this "offended discussions" thread. It's tiring to even read it.

[Toris (Old Account)]

FP11 event was awesome and I loved the series of events going around. Delta was awesome and I worked for the Core, for Zoners and even for myself when logging a pirate. Good times. Felt alive again back then.

But then I don't know why Freeport 11 had been pulled out. However, I agree with both sides - leaning towards surprise that Pirate IFF could ever be in the middle of the trade lane network.

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This little bird went to sleep forever. So long.
Thank you for everything.

[Sombs]

Yes, the FP11 event was nice, everyone had fun, and then everything turned silent, the people who started it never logged their Zoners again and now that Spazzy mentions one thing about it, they are like "Hell yeah!" again. Nobody questions that it brought activity, for a certain amount of time, but since that Delta has been dead, no Nephs have been sitting on FP11 and so on. Almost nobody cared about Casualty's rebuild project, it took months.

The FR5 for OSI, TAZ and IRG shouldn't ever have been a thing - that could have been limited to the actual people who started begging for war and then never logged for it again.

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